Pinnacle Training Contract??

[Flybet3]

Hey you guys, does anyone who is flying for pinnacle or who knows someone who is flying for pinnacle have any Idea if pinnacle has a training contract??? A friend of mine who has a class date told me that after you finish training you will have to sign a 24 month training contract or some junk like that...let me know you guys

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Going somewhere?

 

[another cfii]

As far as I know, no contract for those hired with the 15/3 minimums. The 24 mo. contract is probably for GIA fellas. Good luck.

 

[Flybet3]

What??

Going somewhere?

What???? no, it just strikes me as kinda stupid of my friend actually has to sign a training contract after not getting paid for 2 months or more.

 

[Flybet3]

ok

As far as I know, no contract for those hired with the 15/3 minimums. The 24 mo. contract is probably for GIA fellas. Good luck.

ooh ok, that does make sense. It just seemed so weird for pinnacle to make pilots sign training contracts after eating tuna for 2 months.

 

[T-Gates]

The 24 mo. contract is probably for GIA fellas

Nope...

 

[dondk]

That whole contract thing was about 2- 2 1/2 years ago. To my knowledge it has not been brought out again.

The other contract is.... the pilot pays the company $10K, and is reimbursed like $400 per month for 24 months.. It was to cover the cost of the intial training. To my knowledge, the last person to do something like this was many years ago (better than 5). This was specifically for those hired with less than 1500/300

 

[flagshipper]

This issue came up back in my class in early summer. The application for employment we signed required 2 signatures at the end each preceded by a bunch of fine print. Well one of those signatures is agreeing to a 12 month 10,000 dollar prorated binding training agreement. It has never been enforced to my knowledge because I know of almost a dozen people who have left for greener (haha) pastures and none have had to pay anything back. I dont know alot so maybe dondk or t-gates can help but I don't believe the union has any control over this matter because you are not employed during training. It makes no mention of specified minimums for this contract though it does exist if you are below 1500/300 by word of mouth and not in writing. Who knows???

 

[dondk]

The training contract...
It did exist and was enforced once to my knowledge and that was about 4 years ago. I know of the person, but do know the person or circumstances personally.

The 1500/300 training contract. It does/did exist, it was enforced about 3 years ago. In my n/h class we had 2 people who were hired before 1500/300 but had to defer to a later class to make the min's. On the first day of class the program manager came in with the CEC training mgr and audited the 2 dudes logbooks (in front of the class). If they were below min's they either had to leave OR pay $10K. The one dude had 1501TT and he continued the other had the TT but was tight on fixed wing ME (325 or something). We were the last class before 9/11. After that they hired GIA peep's through a special prgram, intern's through a similar program and would not look at an average peep below 1500/300 if they were not in those 2 programs.

The union does not cover you on the 1500/300 issue as this is a company policy and is not covered under the contract.

With our attrition at about 5% I seriously doubt they will need to enforce it. At my previous employer (pre 9/11) we had 20-30% attrition and an actual training contract. Again, 1-2 peep's back then were enforced upon (got the type, then walked the next day) but those settled out of court.

Personally, I would not worry about it, I don't think any company has really won a training contract enforcement issue. This company (9E) is not going to spend the money on lawyers for something like this. Now.. sick calls'.. that is a different story all together

 

[John_W_Thompson]

Attrition

Hey Dondk do you figure 5%/yr?


Space

 

[dondk]

Based on seniority....

Last year it was about 12%, this year so far it is 5% and I'd guess it will top out about 7%, I'd put money that next year will be more.

The movement varies by seniority.. Last year we had a bunch of low(er) sen guys leave assuming upgrade was going to be years and not months away. The overall attrition may have been a bit higher than the 12%,

This year, we have had more senior peep's leave for bigger and better things as well as more people involuntary leave. The lower sen peep's this time don't have the time to find bigger and better.

 

[Sun Devil 2000]

Speaking from experience at another carrier. Training contracts, even if you have been threatned with a future furlough, can and probably will be enforceable. It was a hard $9300 lesson to learn.

I even took the **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** thing to three lawyers and they all told me it was good.

FDX