Pinnacle Airlines

[atpcliff]

Hi!

I interviewed there in May of last year, but I think this info still holds true.

They will fly you in via NWA to start your training (nice!), and then:
Pay in Training = $00.00
Lodging Provided? - NO
$ to cover all/some of lodging costs - NO
Per Diem? $00.00/hr.
Jumpseat, passes available during training? - NO

My boss (the wife) told me I could interview there, but even if it was the only organization offering me a flying job, I would NOT be taking the job-we couldn't afford it.

I jumpseat on Pinnacle quite frequently (I had a 1 hour systems course with Capt Kelly (the retired AF lady) while on a ground hold-what a great plane!) and all of the pilots I've met like it, but they do mention the low pay.

Cliff
GRB

 

[JJJ]

q100,

I don't think that I suggested that low pay for fo's was ok. But, if you want to be offended, go right ahead and be offended.

Look at what United was paying new hires to fly a 767 two years ago. Pretty pathetic considering how many pax they had in the back. They took the job because the low wages didn't last forever.

Who do you fly for? QX? What did you make your first year flying a 37 seat turboprop, or a 69 seat jet? $18,240? You were willing to fly for a low wage at one point, weren't you? Everyone on this board has. That's just the way it is.

I agree that fo's should make more money. And I'm sure on our next contract the fo wages will be on par with the rest of the industry. Just a few years ago, all of the regionals had pathetic fo pay. It's just in the lastest contacts that are bringing the pay up. Most of the pilots at pinnacle were not here when the contract was signed.

Regardless, I am still happy to have a job, poor work rules and all. Even when I was an under compensted fo. I'm just going to let time run it's course and things will get better.

Good luck to everyone

 

[Tref]

From one laid off pilot to all the others and the working poor...

I'm going to buy you each a glass of Chateau de Chaselet in 30 years and I hope our conversation sounds like this:

Eric Idle:

Very fussable, isn't it? Very fussable.

All:

Right, all right.

Graham Chapman:

Good glass of Chateau de Chasselas, ain't just that, sire?

Terry Jones:

Oh, you're right there, Obadiah.

Graham Chapman:

Right.

Eric Idle:

Who would have thought, thirty years ago, we'd all be sitting here drinking Chateau de Chaselet, eh?

All:

Aye, aye.

Michael Palin:

Them days we were glad to have the price of a cup of tea.

Graham Chapman:

Right! A cup of cold tea!

Michael Palin:

Right!

Eric Idle:

Without milk or sugar!

Terry Jones:

Or tea!

Michael Palin:

In a cracked cup and all.

Eric Idle:

Oh, we never used to have a cup! We used to have to drink out of a rolled-up newspaper!

Graham Chapman:

The best we could manage was to suck on a piece of damp cloth.

Terry Jones:

But you know, we were happy in those days, although we were poor.

Michael Palin:

Because we were poor!

Terry Jones:

Right!

Michael Palin:

My old dad used to say to me: "Money doesn't bring you happiness, son!"

Eric Idle:

He was right!

Michael Palin:

Right!

Eric Idle:

I was happier then and I had nothing! We used to live in this tiny old tumbled-down house with great big holes in the roof.

Graham Chapman:

House! You were lucky to live in a house! We used to live in one room, all twentysix of us, no furniture, half the floor was missing, we were all huddled together in one corner for fear of falling.

Terry Jones:

You were lucky to have a room! We used to have to live in the corridor!

Michael Palin:

Oh, we used to dream of living in a corridor! Would have been a palace to us! We used to live in an old watertank on a rubbish tip. We'd all woke up every morning by having a load of rotten fish dumped all over us! House, huh!

Eric Idle:

Well, when I say a house, it was just a hole in the ground, covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us!

Graham Chapman:

We were evicted from our hole in the ground. We had to go and live in a lake!

Terry Jones:

You were lucky to have a lake! There were 150 of us living in a shoebox in the middle of the road!

Michael Palin:

A cardboard box?

Terry Jones:

Aye!

Michael Palin:

You were lucky! We lived for three months in a rolled-up newspaper in a septic tank! We used to have to go up every morning, at six o'clock and clean the newspaper, go to work down the mill, fourteen hours a day, week in, week out, for six pence a week, and when we got home, our dad would slash us to sleep with his belt!

Graham Chapman:

Luxury! We used to have to get up out of the lake at three o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of hot grubble, work twenty hours a day at mill, for two pence a month, come home, and dad would beat us around the head and neck with a broken bottle, if we were lucky!

Terry Jones:

Well, of course, we had it tough! We used to have to get up out of the shoebox in the middle of the night, and lick the road clean with our tongues! We had to eat half a handful of freezing cold grubble, work twenty-four hours a day at mill for four pence every six years, and when we got home, our dad would slice us in two with a breadknife!

Eric Idle:

Right! I had to get up in the morning, at ten o'clock at night, half an hour before I went to bed, eat a lump of cold poison, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill and pay millowner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our dad would kill us and dance about on our graves, singing Hallelujah!

Michael Palin:

Aah. Are you trying to tell the young people of today that, and they won't believe you!

All:

No, no they won't!

 

[DoinTime]

Hey Tref....pass the bong my buzz is wearing thin.

 

[q100]

JJJ, My first year F/O pay was...

Seeing as you ask, it was, based on my 1st 12 months, $30600 gross (rounded), and $22000 take home plus some $1300 into my 401k. Oh, and in training I was paid 75 hour guarantee at 1st year rates from day one, plus per diem except when away on multi-day breaks, and our hotel was paid for. Yes, I did pay my dues to get that 121 job. But thanks to ALG's ALPA, I did not have to keep paying my dues at my 121 job. Things could be better here now to be sure, but they looked out for us when I was new and I will if we have any say in the matter fight for the same. For the record, the TA we were just railroaded into signing did inlcude an extra $1 per hour pay cut for 1st year FOs. Not right. But then again, we'll have no 1st year FOs by March 2003!

This industry will be greatly improved I believe when all the carriers on the lowest rung of the payscale can come up to the above standards of compensation. THAT will benefit everybody! Unless we like being whipsawed against each other, that is...

Rgds.

btw, since this is an interview board, is anybody having any luck with the carriers who are too small to be majors, but whose planes don't make them regionals? Examples include USA3000, North American, World, etc.

 

[Tref]

DoinTime,

Ummmmmmmmmm........... huh?