Pinch a Nickle doomed PART 2

[Ridgeback]

Hey mod why not ban the offenders...instead you kill the tread?


SkyWest Inc. warns of Q1 loss, its first in 23 years
By paul beebe
The Salt Lake Tribune
First published Apr 01 2011 11:03AM
Updated Apr 1, 2011 10:49PM




SkyWest bought ExpressJet in November. Prior to the acquisition, ExpressJet had frozen hiring because Continental was cutting its block hours. A few weeks ago, SkyWest received a new contract that will increase the number of block hours it flies for United and Continental by more than 20 percent, triggering a need for more employees. Kraupp didn’t know how many people will be hired


Does This timeline make sense?

9E buys Colgan to secure flying for Continental and buys Q400's
Colgan has Q Crash
9E does not exercise 15 Q400 options in Febuary...no buisness for them
9E buys Mesaba to secure crj900 flying for delta
9E buys Mesaba..the only other Saab airline out there to save US air contract Colgan had...Notice all colgan flying is now under the Mesaba certificate...or soon will be
9E completion factor totally sucks because of poor staffing issues...
9E signs new "very" expensive joint pilot contract with all three pilot groups
Delta soon after awards 12 more 170's to compass and 8 more 700's to ASA
Phil quits as head of 9E
9E soon after anounces 250 new hires and Mesaba recalls 169 furloughs
See above news story

Me thinks that 9E is screwed for any one of the above...
Why couln't he find work for the Q options that he had to forfet
what happens in 5 years when 141 200's contracts are up for Delta?

Looks like the new comair

Discuss

 

[altimaklr]

Get a life, you don't even work for Pinnacle. Why is it that Pinnacle was always lampooned for being a bottom feeder, then egged on to get the best contract that no one thought they could get... then once we get it, people suddenly think it's going to be the next comair?

 

[RJLoser]

Ridgeback you just said this:


Mesaba comming to LAX
For those interested new flights being loaded daily...for instance lax-sfo and lax las

Also returning to SLC with Sacramento, phoenix, and a bunch more...

Word is Mesaba with be getting VERY big for Dleta on the West coast...

Starting in May

These are CRJ900's.......Q400's to follow soon!!

So, which one?

 

[SEVEN]

Skywest will purchase Pinnacle.

 

[Flyprdu]

9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!! WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!

Everyone else seems to be lobbing ludicrous thread grenades. I felt left out.

 

[i fly boxes]

Skywest will purchase Pinnacle.

Sweet - then we will have ASA, Express Jet, Pinnacle, Mesaba, and Colgan combined into one list - and then skywest will still be separate.

 

[248to2.8]

Compass starts the LAX-MCI flying in June our newsletter announced. Great, just like flying for Midwest again, only making less.

 

[Andrew_VT]

Sweet - then we will have ASA, Express Jet, Pinnacle, Mesaba, and Colgan combined into one list - and then skywest will still be separate.

Question- Does the new mesaba/pinnacle/colgan parent letter (section 1 I think) allow an arrangement like that?

 

[johnpeace]

Question- Does the new mesaba/pinnacle/colgan parent letter (section 1 I think) allow an arrangement like that?

Follow up question: does Jerry give a crap what is 'allowed'?

 

[wmuflyguy]

Compass starts the LAX-MCI flying in June our newsletter announced. Great, just like flying for Midwest again, only making less.

Delta competing with RAH/Midwest/Frontier...but they continue to outsource to them.

Maybe they could have used Shuttle America. Then it would be a RAH 190 vs a Shuttle 170 (SWA also does the same route)

 

[higney85]

Question- Does the new mesaba/pinnacle/colgan parent letter (section 1 I think) allow an arrangement like that?

B. Scope
1. Except as provided in paragraphs B.2. and B.3. below, Pilots on the Company
Pilots’ System Seniority List (“Pilots’ System Seniority List”) will perform all
Company Flying in accordance with the terms and conditions of the Agreement.
The phrase “Company Flying” means all flying performed by or for the Company
and includes, without limitation, all such flying (a) on aircraft leased or owned by
the Company or any Airline, or (b) under the operational control or operating
certificate of the Company or any Airline, including wet leases and contracting for
other carriers or entities (government, military or commercial), but does not
include dry leases to other carriers or entities so long as the lessee under such a
dry lease is not performing Company Flying as defined in clause (b) of this
paragraph B.1.

....
D. Successorship
1. This Agreement will be binding upon any successor or merged company or
companies or any successor in control of the Company, or of any Airline,
regardless of the nature of the transfer of control (including purchase, sale,
merger, consolidation, acquisition, leasing of the operation, and reorganization
for the benefit of creditors) unless or until changed in accordance with the
provisions of the Railway Labor Act, as amended. As soon as the Company or an
Airline becomes aware of a transaction described in the foregoing sentence and
it is legally permissible to disclose such information, it shall provide the
Association with written notice of the transaction.
2. Neither the Company nor an Airline shall enter into or be a party to any
transaction described in paragraph D.1. above (a “successorship transaction”)
unless the successor agrees in writing, as an irrevocable condition of the
successorship transaction, to assume and be bound by the Agreement, to
recognize the Association as the representative of the Pilots and to employ, in
accordance with the provisions of the Agreement, those Pilots on the Pilots’
System Seniority List who are employed by the relevant Airline or Airlines at the
time of the closing of the successorship transaction.
3. If the Company or any Airline enters into or becomes a party to a transaction by
which one or more other air carriers (or a company that controls one or more
other air carriers or that is under common control with one or more other air
carriers) acquire or will acquire control of the Company or any Airline and it is
2
decided to operationally merge the Company or any Airline and the other air
carrier(s):
a. The Pilots on the Pilots’ System Seniority List employed by the Airline(s)
which were acquired at the time of the closing of the successorship
transaction will be integrated into the Pilot seniority list(s) of the other air
carrier(s) as provided in paragraph E.1.; and
b. The respective Pilot collective bargaining agreements of the Company
and the other air carrier(s) (if any) shall be merged as provided in
paragraph E.2. and E.3.


No matter if PNCL buys more airlines or if PNCL sells airlines- our scope deals with it. The last 6 years spurred quite the "learning curve" with the introduction of holding companies.

 

[homerjdispatch]

Follow up question: does Jerry give a crap what is 'allowed'?

DING DING DING!!! We have a winner!!!

 

[Nevets]

Follow up question: does Jerry give a crap what is 'allowed'?

DING DING DING!!! We have a winner!!!

How would he feel if they totally disregard the intent of and got around his employment contract?

 

[cybourg10]

How would he feel if they totally disregard the intent of and got around his employment contract?

He would feel stupid like us because he allowed such loose language in his contract that did not fully protect his job even though he believed it did just that. Time to get over it.

 

[Nevets]

He would feel stupid like us because he allowed such loose language in his contract that did not fully protect his job even though he believed it did just that. Time to get over it.

It is never time to get over it unless you want to repeat mistakes. But I doubt he would have just rolled over either.

 

[looking_down]

Ummm...Mesa sucks!!! I feel better now.

 

[Flybywire44]

Sweet - then we will have ASA, Express Jet, Pinnacle, Mesaba, and Colgan combined into one list - and then skywest will still be separate.

LoL :smash: