Pax and Bag weights

[DDpaysoff]

Just curious what are your pax and bag weights for your airline? At comair pax now weighs 195lb and bag I believe is 31.5. No more summer/winter weights. Is anyone else that high? I must have pulled off 25 bags and 4 people off our planes on the last trip. And always taking off at RLS fuel +/-200 or so.
I think I heard american on the radio decline a shortcut due to TO +FB = Max ldg weight, or as they say over there "climb limited landing weight or runway limited landing weight".

 

[Stuka Luva]

PSA:

ADULTS 190/195
KIDS 80
ACM (depends where they're sitting...in the cockpit 180 but once they move to the back they're regular pax weight)
CHECKED BAGS 30
CARRY ON BAGS 10 for load manifest and 30 for CG and limitations (don't even ask me to explain that one)

 

[canadflyau]

At Lakes

Summer Pax -203
Winter Pax -208
Checked and Gate Checked -25
Half Weights yr round -80
-The one allowed carry on is included in the pax weight-

We are unble to fill all our seats due to excedding MZFW....

Just curious, does anyone use more restrictive wieghts than us?

 

[LearLove]

In the past 18 months we've been using several diff. weight programs at ALG. Currently we have a whiz wheel program that we started early summer.

PAX 175/170 (winter/summer)

Kids 80 (year round)

CREW and JS 180, except Female Crews, FA and Pilot, you can subtract 50 from the BOW per female crew member.

BAGS 30 except if there inside the cabin they are 20.

Most of our aircraft (the incredible shrinking fleet) have a BOW of 23300 to 24000. ZFW is either 31300 or 31400 (depending on mod) and Gross is 34500.

* we had the 190/195 thing for a few months, brought most long flight to a 30 pax aircraft.

Not that it matters anyway, it's a Dash, if it fits thru the door we can take it.

 

[Stuka Luva]

* we had the 190/195 thing for a few months, brought most long flight to a 30 pax aircraft.

I hear ya, these stupid weights sink the 328. I think they should take out all the "D" seats and make it easier.

 

[aewanabe]

At the Chicken Taco:

Pax: 192/197 Summer/Winter

ACM: 180 (or 192/197 in the cabin)

Carry-on bags included in Pax weight, or 22 pounds if removed to cargo bin OR closet (includes crew overnight bags).

Checked bags: 30 pounds.

Munchkins: 77 pounds.

Our biggest problem is usually not runway performance or takeoff weight, but fuel burn-off to destination. (Especially when we're only gonna burn 3500 lbs but are carrying 9000 due to alternates, holding etc.)

 

[Tug Driver]

aca

I believe we use 185 lbs. per seat.
bags are 32 lbs

unless its changed and no one told me...

 

[dashflyer]

PDT is 190 year round

80 for kids

180 for jumpseaters

each bag weighs 30 lbs

it's killing us!!!

 

[crjdxr]

weights suck

It's always nice to take a 50 seat RJ and turn it into a 48 seat a/c. Kind of reminds me of the E-120.

I can only speak about OH but I seem to recall the FAA weenies telling us that we could either survey our pax to get our new pax/bag weights or we could accept the FAA's weights. For whatever reason OH took the numbers from their own survey. And the Feds signed off on that.

 

[WWEfan]

At ASA pax weights are 175/170 winter/summer. A cockpit J/S = 180 lbs. Kids weigh 80. Bags weigh 30 lbs. checked, carry-on or whatever. It's all BS.

 

[Q200_FO]

At Horizon:

Summer Pax: 170lb
Winter pax: 175lb

ACM's can be added with the BOW or just included in the count as just another passenger.

Children: 80lb year round

Checked bags are 31lb each unless they're going to YVR then they're 34lb

Carry ons are 20lb

This seems to work for us. Never seen a problem using these numbers since I've been here.

 

[DDpaysoff]

I agree these new weights are terrible. Now a full plane of people weighs 2,250lbs more than it did a month ago (assuming 50 people,50 bags). Makes sense when our performance limit is limiting about 1% of the time. Now, we take less people (revenue), we have to buy 2250lbs more fuel at the outsation at unhedged rates, and we don't have any flexibility for holding, more diversions sooner. Funny how we were not twisting any metal with all those take-offs that were 2250 lbs overweight.
Also, why couldn't we have done the survey in Miami instead of Cincinnati home of skyline chili? Good excuse to raise ticket prices though.

 

[crjdxr]

oh the agony

I agree these new weights are terrible. Now a full plane of people weighs 2,250lbs more than it did a month ago (assuming 50 people,50 bags). Makes sense when our performance limit is limiting about 1% of the time. Now, we take less people (revenue), we have to buy 2250lbs more fuel at the outsation at unhedged rates, and we don't have any flexibility for holding, more diversions sooner. Funny how we were not twisting any metal with all those take-offs that were 2250 lbs overweight.
Also, why couldn't we have done the survey in Miami instead of Cincinnati home of skyline chili? Good excuse to raise ticket prices though.

Amen to that. Weigh a couple of supermodels who lick a stamp for breakfast instead of a guy who can choke down three five-ways and a 32oz. diet mayo. Ugh.

Where it really hurts is on those long stage lengths. ATLYUL with 50 pax just ain't gonna happen. Throw in some snow and an alternate for flavor and DAL Dollars are flying like confetti.

 

[DDpaysoff]

Re: oh the agony

Throw in some snow and an alternate for flavor and DAL Dollars are flying like confetti. [/B][/QUOTE]

That is not the only thing flying around like confetti. Swear words in the terminal have made more appearances lately.
Last week we kicked off two people and 13 bags in ROC to get blw weights. RLS fuel 10590, gate 10800, taxi 200, CAE ALTN, 0 extra, 1600 cont. I kept an eye on it and we had to start burning gas at foothills, you know getting lower, using flaps early to get blw weight. We burned 5910 and landed at 46,800. This was on that 5:30a.m flight I can only imagine what happened later in the day. Something has do be done, that was way too much work at 5:30a.m.

 

[wil]

DD- We are 175 and 30. Guess the company keeps us different to highlight the lack of "operational integrity". One day I hope we are one!- Wil

 

[Kansan]

At Skyway:

195 summer
200 winter
28 for checked bags
20 for express bags (plane side checked)
80 for kids

 

[BoilerUP]

On the Corpex Junkstreams:

Summer: 198
Winter: 203
Bags: 31 (i think)
Carry-on: 15 (i think)


Absolutely fabulous way to turn a 19 seat airplane into a 15 pax airplane out of Lafayette with over 2000# fuel or more than 12 bags.

 

[AceCrackshot]

I wonder how the FAA justifies the utter lack of consistancy among the weights. A little regional difference sure, but people and bags weigh different between B and D concourses at STL. Whatever. I guess the FAA weights (opposed the the airline survey pax/bag weights) were pretty onerous.

Does anyone know what aircraft were more affected than others?
As was stated eariler, the 140 is getting MZFW issues on the long-range routes.