Part-135 max take off weight??

[kilroy]

On a part 135 the max weight you enter on a load manifest from what I understand is the max weight for the day conditions and structure on that day Is there some where I can find this in the regs.?

 

[Direct FL400]

The criteria of MTOW will be stipulated in the AFM which, according to regs, must be complied with.

 

[HMR]

On a part 135 the max weight you enter on a load manifest from what I understand is the max weight for the day conditions and structure on that day Is there some where I can find this in the regs.?

You are correct. I wish I could give you the reference but when I stopped flying charter I did a giant brain dump of all that stuff.

At my old company, one of our guys got ramped and busted for W&B. We all had to sit through a long ground school on W&B regs. I have friends who still put down the same MTOW whether they're at Miami or Aspen.

 

[400A]

Mtow

It should be in your ops manual as well.

 

[cvsfly]

135.181. Usually not a problem (at least in turbines) until you get into mountaineous terrain. Basic 135 performance planning.

 

[mike1mc]

On a part 135 the max weight you enter on a load manifest from what I understand is the max weight for the day conditions and structure on that day Is there some where I can find this in the regs.?

The weight you are referring to is Max Allowable Gross Takeoff Weight (MAGTOW). It is the lowest of the following:

1) Max Structural (Certificated) Weight
2) Performance Weight Limit (Climb Limited, Runway Limited)
3) Max Allowable Landing Weight

Youa re correct that the MAGTOW is specific to each flight and is not always the certificated max weight for the aircraft.

 

[kilroy]

I'm having the same problem some of our guys including managment are still writing down max take off weight of aircraft not max for the day. The problem is I can't find a reg stating exactly what the max weight should be listed in the manifest. 135.183 does give you a climb requirement but not a take off weight requirement for weight. I know all transport aircraft are certified part-25 transport but reg reference would be great if I could find it. Thanks for all the input.

You are correct. I wish I could give you the reference but when I stopped flying charter I did a giant brain dump of all that stuff.

At my old company, one of our guys got ramped and busted for W&B. We all had to sit through a long ground school on W&B regs. I have friends who still put down the same MTOW whether they're at Miami or Aspen.

 

[cvsfly]

I'm having the same problem some of our guys including managment are still writing down max take off weight of aircraft not max for the day. The problem is I can't find a reg stating exactly what the max weight should be listed in the manifest. 135.183 does give you a climb requirement but not a take off weight requirement for weight. I know all transport aircraft are certified part-25 transport but reg reference would be great if I could find it. Thanks for all the input.

Ok. Let's try again. This is day 1 Part 135 Initial and Recurrent Training stuff. 135.181, 135.183, 135.363 -.399. Happy reading. The AFM will likely have performance charts for all of these various performance requirements (here from a BE-B200 AFM for example: Maximum Take-off Weight (Permitted by Enroute Climb Requirement), Take-off Weight -(configuration)(To Achieve Positive One Eng. Inop ROC at Lift-off), Maximum Enroute Weight (FAR 135 - Operations), Take-off Weight - (configuration)(To meet FAR 25 Take-off Climb Requirements - (2.4% gradient built in)), and your standard Take-off Distance, Accel.-Stop, Accel-Go, Net Gradient of Climb, and Climb - One Engine Inop.

 

[CaSyndrm]

Amazing people can get this far and not understand. The "day" or anything else doesn't matter. MAGTOW takes all the normal restrictions in to account before written down. Usually the most restrictive will be the short flights with lot's of fuel or the flights with obstructions on takeoff or the high hot and heavy departures. But, the takeoff restrictions can be dealt with in many ways.