Part 121 / 135 Normal procedures checklists

[Spooky 2]

Doing a little survey here and would like to hear from those that are operating within Part 121/135 community as to how they are formatting their Normal Procedures checklists.

Are you using all Upper Case lettering, on the challenge and response or a combination of both Upper Case and Lower Case. Bold print or regular font and last what is the font style.

Example:

LANDING GEAR DOWN
or
Landing Gear Down

As you can probably tell from the questions asked, we have a small debate going on here regarding new checklist design and contruction. Actually NASA has some material that gives guidance, but then NASA also says you shouldn't fly when your tired and we all know how well that rule is followed.

 

[RedGuy]

Light the fires and kick the tires!!! That's my checklist.

 

[Spooky 2]

Light the fires and kick the tires!!! That's my checklist.

With an attitude like that I should be reading about in the papers soon.

 

[RedGuy]

I doubt it. It's safer to have your head up and be paying attention than buried in a checklist. I know it's different with 2 pilots, but by myself I use flows.

Our checklist uses upper and lower case letters. No challenge and response single pilot though.

 

[CA1900]

I doubt it. It's safer to have your head up and be paying attention than buried in a checklist.

Yup. Checklists are totally unnecessary.

 

[RedGuy]

I didn't say that checklist where totally unnecessary. They do have their place, but IMO it's not in the single pilot environment. Single pilot A/C are inherently simple and flows work much more effectively. I could post alot more accidents where pilots did use the checklist and still crashed. What about the crew that flew a DC-10 into the ground because they where preoccupied with a gear problem and running checklist, or more recently the Comair at LEX, they used a checklist too though not the main cause I'll bet it contributed some.

 

[Spooky 2]

I didn't say that checklist where totally unnecessary. They do have their place, but IMO it's not in the single pilot environment. Single pilot A/C are inherently simple and flows work much more effectively. I could post alot more accidents where pilots did use the checklist and still crashed. What about the crew that flew a DC-10 into the ground because they where preoccupied with a gear problem and running checklist, or more recently the Comair at LEX, they used a checklist too though not the main cause I'll bet it contributed some.

First of all I asked for Part 121/135 replies not some single pilot operation and since your clueless about the above, do us all a favor and butt out. Nothing like a low time know it all to flavor the conversation.

 

[MauleSkinner]

My POI handed me a publication called "Human Performance Considerations in the Use and Design of Aircraft Checklists" a few years back...still available on the FAA's web site (I tried posting a link, but it didn't work...you can google the title, though), but the last guy that made us do checklists wanted something different.
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Fly safe!

David

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[RedGuy]

First of all I asked for Part 121/135 replies not some single pilot operation and since your clueless about the above, do us all a favor and butt out. Nothing like a low time know it all to flavor the conversation.

I fly 135! :uzi: I'm out there every day flying in lousy weather just like the rest of us. I fly a 2 crew A/C also and in there I use a challenge and response check list and it works well in that situation. But when your hand flying an approach to some nowhere airport at night in the soup by yourself, the last thing you need to be doing is burying your head up a checklist. That's a good way to get killed! I may not have 10,000hrs in a AirBoing what ever, but I've been flying long enough to know what works and what doesn't. I don't know why you assume I'm clueless about the above since I posted that our checklist do use a combination of upper and lower case letters. It's much easier to read that way since that's the way you read most of the time, AS OPPOSED TO ALL CAPITAL LETTERS WHICH AREN"T AS EASY TO READ, SINCE MOST OF USE DON'T GENERALLY READ OR WRITE IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS!

BTW my CP and Do have been flying this was for about 60 years and 50 some odd thousand hours combined and they've not killed them selves yet. So get off your high time horse!:smash:

 

[Spooky 2]

I fly 135! :uzi: I'm out there every day flying in lousy weather just like the rest of us. I fly a 2 crew A/C also and in there I use a challenge and response check list and it works well in that situation. But when your hand flying an approach to some nowhere airport at night in the soup by yourself, the last thing you need to be doing is burying your head up a checklist. That's a good way to get killed! I may not have 10,000hrs in a AirBoing what ever, but I've been flying long enough to know what works and what doesn't. I don't know why you assume I'm clueless about the above since I posted that our checklist do use a combination of upper and lower case letters. It's much easier to read that way since that's the way you read most of the time, AS OPPOSED TO ALL CAPITAL LETTERS WHICH AREN"T AS EASY TO READ, SINCE MOST OF USE DON'T GENERALLY READ OR WRITE IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS!

BTW my CP and Do have been flying this was for about 60 years and 50 some odd thousand hours combined and they've not killed them selves yet. So get off your high time horse!:smash:

After all these posts you finally add something to the conversation regarding the checklist composition. Maybe you aren't as dumb as you sounded in your first post.