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Parker, sore loser or just tipsy?

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General Lee

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(from The Street.com)

Like Jerry Grinstein says, timing is everything.
In one of the final decisions of Grinstein's three-year run as CEO of Delta (DALRQ.PK - Cramer's Take - Stockpickr), the airline has apparently selected a good time to emerge from bankruptcy and issue new shares.

The third-largest carrier said Wednesday that it has applied to list its new common stock on the New York Stock Exchange. Delta expects the shares to begin trading in early May under its old DAL ticker symbol.

The timing is good, said Credit Sights analyst Roger King. "In general, there is more demand for airline securities then there is supply," he said.

Grinstein, who will step down after Delta's board selects a successor, displayed a strong awareness of when other carriers chose to take major steps during an investor conference Webcast on Tuesday. He noted Virgin America's plans to begin transcontinental service from a San Francisco hub, just as the six legacy carriers are concluding the process of cutting costs in bankruptcy. "Virgin's timing, I think, is more than a little off," he said.

By contrast, he said, JetBlue (JBLU - Cramer's Take - Stockpickr - Rating) showed good timing when it began flying in 2000, before the legacy carriers began restructuring. "I thought there was a certain genius behind JetBlue's timing," he said. "Whether that was chance or design, who knows? But it was perfectly timed for the market."


Later during the same call, CFO Ed Bastian pointed out the 2005 merger between US Airways (LCC - Cramer's Take - Stockpickr - Rating) and America West, which occurred just as the recovering airline industry was gathering steam. "Timing was a big part of the success of the US Airways/America West deal," Bastian said.
Morningstar airline analyst Brian Nelson said that now is a good time for Delta to emerge, but not the best time.

"We are still in the early stages of the airline industry cycle, and 2007 is still going to be a good year for the legacy guys, and I think Delta will get a fair shake from the market," he said. "But this isn't the middle of 2005."

In September 2005, the Amex Airline Index traded at $38.22, a two-and-a-half-year low. It rose fitfully to $66.92 in January but has since fallen back. The index traded Wednesday afternoon at $52.53.

January marked a recent peak for airline stocks, as consolidation chatter fueled the market. At the time, "valuations for the legacy guys were far above what the fundamentals warranted," Nelson said. The chatter largely ended when US Airways withdrew its hostile bid for Delta on Jan. 31.

US Airways CEO Doug Parker remains skeptical about Delta's chances. "Those guys are going to come out [of bankruptcy] , and they're going to make United look good," he said two weeks ago, at US Airways media day.

Industry observers generally felt that United failed to sufficiently reduce costs in bankruptcy. Its shares traded Wednesday afternoon at $38.11, below their opening price of $40 on the first day of trading in February 2006.

"Delta looks better than United did, because its costs are lower," King said.



Bye Bye--General Lee
 
We already know that he's a sore loser...

Tipsy? I wouldn't bet against it.



Abe44
 
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General Lee your still wasting your time worrying about US Airways?? Delta and US Airways aren't even on the same page or in the same league! Delta is a global airline, while US Airways is a big regional with a hand full of Europe and Carribean Flights! But for some reason you still worry that they might just get bigger and maybe compete with you.

Instead of worry about US Airways and the fact that Delta is now making money, you should really focus your energy on getting your Pension back!
 
General Lee your still wasting your time worrying about US Airways?? Delta and US Airways aren't even on the same page or in the same league! Delta is a global airline, while US Airways is a big regional with a hand full of Europe and Carribean Flights! But for some reason you still worry that they might just get bigger and maybe compete with you.

Instead of worry about US Airways and the fact that Delta is now making money, you should really focus your energy on getting your Pension back!

Well, I understand what you are saying, but we are actually first getting a chunk of change to compensate us for the loss of the pension. We get a $650 million note, given to us no later than 120 days after coming out of BK. After we get that cash (it will fillup our 401K requirement for 2008, and then maybe more in cash), then we will eventually try to increase the DC fund contribution (now it is 9% of our monthly pay, but United has 15%) and get something in our own names, something that cannot be taken from us again. That is a better strategy. If Mars ever attacks, our new pension would probably go away again....

As far as USAir competing with us, it really was Parker who was worried, since he kept trying to ask the creditors to look at our books. He never got the chance.

You need to keep studying for your FE written. The FE job by the way was a thankless job that I hated, all 8 months or so.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
The timing is good, said Credit Sights analyst Roger King. "In general, there is more demand for airline securities then there is supply," he said.


morons
 
No way man, is the Civil War over? Did anyone give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Aint noone givin up, especially not the General.

Wow the Germans bombed Pear Harbour?:confused:
 
It makes me feel really old when people don't get that joke:smash:

Sorry I had passed out at that point and missed the "speech" Pearl ...earl whatever...:erm: BTW too much time one one's hands to even find the clip is scary!
 
It's over - give it a rest

Over? What are you talking about? What kind of talk is that? It's un-American. Did George W. Bush quit even after losing the popular vote? No! Did he quit after losing millions of dollars of his father's money in failed oil companies? No! Did he quit after knocking that girl up? No! Did he quit after he got that DUI? No! Did he quit after he got busted for drunk and disorderly conduct at a football game? No! Did he quit...
 

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