NWA Recalls Continue

[MsFan]

NWA has sent out Recall notices to 45 guys for March 05 training. Not sure of my math but that leaves about 485 or so still on the street.

 

[Dinger]

Great........370 more and my wife will be back to work........and I can go fishin'

 

[EMBpilot]

Great news!

Does anyone know what is their DC-9 retiring schedule? And is there a replacement or they'll just downsize the fleet?

Thanks

 

[pilotyip]

Rumor is when the last Airbus is sent to the desert, they will pick the crew up in a DC-9

 

[Paul R. Smith]

Rumor is when the last Airbus is sent to the desert, they will pick the crew up in a DC-9

No love for sparky?

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

I believe they have slowly been retiring the DC-9-10s. I don't believe there's any plane to retire the -30s/40s/50s anytime soon.

Cliff
HRL

 

[iaflyer]

I believe they have slowly been retiring the DC-9-10s. I don't believe there's any plane to retire the -30s/40s/50s anytime soon.

I think NWA flew their last scheduled DC-9-10 flight two weeks ago. I agree that the rest of their DC-9s are going to be around a while longer though.

iaflyer

 

[Aerobat007]

does nwa have any type of flow back clause with any of the nwlink companies? just curious.

 

[Enterprise]

At Pinnacle we don't exactly have a flow back but a preferential hiring agreement. We hired around 50 NWA people and let them keep their seniority. They can only go back at a set rate (5 a month I think). Most of the ones hired are now captains and are a very good asset to our operation.

 

[JimBo480]

NWA never worked a flow back. About a year after furloughs began they worked a deal so we could interview for an FO position at Pinnacle (without giving up our seniority number). After a few of the NWA furloughed posted messages saying they were harassed and ridiculed during the interview process, many didn't even bother applying. From what I gathered reading the message board, all of the ridicule came from one pilot (with a chip on his shoulder) during the interview process.

As for recalls, I expect a letter this month and I'm right in the middle of the furloughs. The word from HR is we will be very close to having everyone back by the end of 2005. I've heard others say everyone would be back. Keep in mind they are having a 30% bypass rate so far and it could go higher as they go deeper into the list.

Jim, furloughed 03/02/2002

 

[JimBo480]

To answer the question on DC-9 retirements.

I read the last DC-9-10 was just retired. As for the rest of the fleet, the subject came up in requal training in 2001. The chief pilot stood up and said, "We can not give you a firm retirement date for the DC-9's, but management is fairly certain that the last DC-9 Captain was born by 2001".

Jim

 

[dbrownie]

As for recalls, I expect a letter this month and I'm right in the middle of the furloughs. The word from HR is we will be very close to having everyone back by the end of 2005. I've heard others say everyone would be back.
Jim, furloughed 03/02/2002[/QUOTE]

Hey Jim,

Welcome back! Glad to hear it!!!! Do you know where you will be based?
What equipment? I hear some are going directly into the 320 and the 757 also back seat of the DC-10 (reserve). I would pick the DC-9 my self just because the reserve system is lousy. You would stay "junior"
along time on any thing but the DC-9. Just my opinion, I don't know
alot......
Dave B

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

Our most senior NWA guy was an FE on the DC-10. He said he expects to back as an FO on the -9 (He's from DTW and wants to be based there.).

Great news!

CLiff
HRL

 

[Ty Webb]

The word from HR is we will be very close to having everyone back by the end of 2005.

Wow- that is great news.

Now, I just have to wonder- since a few NWA crews have actually told some of my LCC brothers, "YOU guys are the reason we have pilots on furlough", do you think those same dummies will be thanking us now, since we must be the reason they've been recalled?

 

[JimBo480]

Welcome back! Glad to hear it!!!! Do you know where you will be based?
What equipment? I hear some are going directly into the 320 and the 757 also back seat of the DC-10 (reserve). I would pick the DC-9 my self just because the reserve system is lousy. You would stay "junior"
along time on any thing but the DC-9. Just my opinion, I don't know
alot......

Dave,

Almost everyone has been going back to the DC-9, with a few to the A-320. To my knowledge, none to the DC-10 or 757. For the last several months everyone has also been assigned MSP. Those that want DTW seem to be getting it within a couple of months, with some being temped to DTW right out of training.

They've been going through the recall list much faster than expected due to a high (approximately 30%) bypass rate. Recalling to fill 35 to 50+ pilot slots per month combined with the numbers bypassing is getting to us in the bottom half of the list much faster than anyone thought possible. When I hear remarks like, "everyone who wants to return to work in 2005 will have the opportunity" I have to believe they are factoring in the high level of bypass.

It's hard for those of us on the sidelines not to be excited. But this was before Delta cut ticket prices, and oil is back up to $49 per barrel....so you have to be guardedly optimistic at best.

Jim, counting the days

 

[Aerobat007]

please explain bypass to me what does that involve?

 

[JimBo480]

I didn't pay close attention when the union worked out the bypass rules because I've decided to go back asap, but here it is to the best of my knowledge.

When you are notified of recall you have the option of going back to work or bypassing recall until a later date. Some on active duty with the reserves bypass for a month or two. I have two friends who went back on active duty and will stay until they can collect a military retirement. They will be out up to 4 years. Others who have a good job have opted to bypass until the industry settles down and still others may wait until they can hold a block position. In a nutshell, I believe you can pick your date of recall (up to 4 years later) and as long as the company is still recalling or hiring you can go back to any position your seniority number will hold.

This was an excellent arrangement set up by the union. The opinion of one of our pilots posted on the web board was, "When you go back you're only one shoe bomber away from dancing on the street corner for nickles....again." With that thought in mind I could see why some with a good job might bypass.

Jim

 

[Aerobat007]

ok thanks sounds like a good option to have if you need it

 

[MsFan]

If memory serves, you can opt to bypass your recall as long as someonejunior to you is still furloughed. So guys bypassing now are betting ona free pass until close to the end of '05 (if recalls continue atcurrent rate). Once everyone is recalled, if you want to stay away youhave to request a "personal leave of absence." This has many morestipulations, and NWA has to agree to let you stay out.

KC
Furloughed 31 Dec 01

My keyboard is f'ed up, sorry for the spacing errors