NOW ASA PILOTS are you READY

[scarlet]

ARE you ready to blow through money????

 

[FL990]

Now it all makes a little more sense...this is why they haven't been spreading the cool aid in the crew lounges over the last month or so....they have been holding this trump card....(SLC base closure and the threat of losing aircraft)

Get ready, because it is about to be poured out by the truckloads

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Guys....

If they're gonna close SLC, they're gonna close SLC. That decision will not have A THING to do with our pay rates or whether or not we're willing to take a pay cut. There are many things that go into a decision like that, and saving a couple of bucks an hour on crew costs is not one of them. If they come out tomorrow and say, "We're going to close Salt Lake because it's not cost effective to keep a crew base out there." and then we go and take a pay cut on the 70 seater... guess what.... they're STILL going to close Salt Lake. If they're not really planning on closing Salt Lake, and they're just trying to turn the tide in favor of a pay cut on the 70 seater.... guess what... they're NOT going to close Salt Lake based on the pay rates in our new contract.

Think of it this way. I might be inclined to consider a pay reduction if I didn't see this airline bleed money everywhere I turn. 5 RJ simulators in Atlanta, each being used only 4 to 8 hours a day. 30 minutes waiting to park in Atlanta while I burn gas. Pulling out of cities like Hickory, NC, while we're still inside the window where we have to pay the city back for the money they put up to get us there in the first place. 50 reserved parking places at the G/O for mid-level employees that cost the company thousands of dollars a year. Need I go on???? What you get paid to fly the 70 seater is not going to make or break this company, and it's going to have zero effect on the airplanes we get or don't get or the airplanes we lose or don't lose. What are you going to do? Put up with a pay cut so you can try for a quick upgrade? It ain't gonna work. Even if it does work, have fun living with that POS you voted for for the next 8 years.

If you think you're worth 8% less per hour, then by all means go for it. I know our negotiating committee and our MEC doesn't think you're worth one penny less than you're getting paid now. I'm just thankful that it's up to them before it's up to you single 22 year old wonderboys that I see every day at the training center who would be willing to do this job for next to free.

My MEC speaks for me. My negotiating committee speaks for me. NO PAY CUT! 100% Retro pay. I will vote no on the next 100 TAs if I don't see what I want, and I will happily vote no after no as this airline shrinks into oblivion.

 

[jehtplane]

Now it all makes a little more sense...this is why they haven't been spreading the cool aid in the crew lounges over the last month or so....they have been holding this trump card....(SLC base closure and the threat of losing aircraft)

Get ready, because it is about to be poured out by the truckloads

The writing has been on the wall for closing SLC since the aquisition. This is not a bargaining chip

 

[FL990]

CLARIFICATION!!!

I am NOT saying that closing SLC is contingent on anything. What I am saying is that they will say that because we are too expensive, we are taking those airplanes and handing them over to SKYWEST ...etc etc...

We cannot buy into this. That was the whole point of my post. We must let them say what they are going to say and do what they are going to do. I am agreeing with ya'll. It has nothing to do with our pay rates...but that doesn't mean that they won't pretend that it does.

 

[ReportCanoa]

FmrFreightDog,

You're right.

 

[701EV]

When the Mgmt bozos stop spending 40 million dollars a year on lost bags then I'll know that they are serious about running an airline.

Take a pay cut HELL NO!

701EV

 

[John Pennekamp]

So SLC is closing, and all of the -700s out there are being taken by Skywest (12 airplanes). We MAY get some -705s this Fall to replace them. With 12 planes leaving the company, we will be losing at least 60 pilot slots per seat. That's 120 pilots who could be furloughed or at least will lose their line as the flush down begins. That's 120 upgrade slots lost.

What are y'all going to do to express your disatisfaction with this latest attempt to punish us for having a contract?

ASA/Skywest Holdings needs to learn not to piss off the people who can cost them lots of money.

 

[maxcackel]

Where is this information coming from or is it rumor?

 

[jehtplane]

Guys....

. 5 RJ simulators in Atlanta, each being used only 4 to 8 hours a day. quote]



This is only true when things are slow, when hiring all the sims are used 20 hours a day, ASA also sells sim time back to flight safety, they do not belong to ASA

 

[scarlet]

single engine taxi---NO shutdown APU--NO light on the reversers--NO heavy braking--YES Call operations for everthing --NO (boarding -lav service-fuel- all things that help the operation..??)

 

[scarlet]

Is there anything in the Railroad labor act that addresses a company taking union work and giving to non union work??? I think there is.... I may be wrong

Lets see pay for these people to move is going to cost what ( my move from DFW was 12,000.00 so times what 300-400 people.) alot of money.. if they just would merge the airline and fire all the G.O. people (250-500 peoples salaries they would save including B.L.) alot of money--SAVED!!!

 

[scarlet]

Some great brains again running an airline!!!!

 

[D'Angelo]

My MEC speaks for me. My negotiating committee speaks for me. NO PAY CUT! 100% Retro pay. I will vote no on the next 100 TAs if I don't see what I want, and I will happily vote no after no as this airline shrinks into oblivion.

So are you admitting your not capable of speaking for yourself?? Does your MEC tell you when its ok to take a bathroom break and help you wipe your bum too? No retro for you that is an absurd demand.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Is there anything in the Railroad labor act that addresses a company taking union work and giving to non union work??? I think there is.... I may be wrong

"may be wrong" is an understatement. Just ask any of the rampers formerly employed by AS.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

So are you admitting your not capable of speaking for yourself?? Does your MEC tell you when its ok to take a bathroom break and help you wipe your bum too? No retro for you that is an absurd demand.

No, idiot. I make my opinions known to the MEC and the Negotiating Committee. They take my opinions and the opinions of the rest of the pilots and come up with a unified position that will satisfy the most people. That's the way it works. If their solution is amenable to me, I vote yes. If it is not, I vote no. It's really that simple.

 

[Tomct]

:angryfireWell, if the skywst pilots end up taking OUR 70 seaters, they truely have crossed that FINE line! Yeah, I know, they are not union and have no say blah blah blah, why don't you guys get over yourselves and GROW A PAIR!! I know how many of you still have SJS, but this is getting rediculous! Why would you want to be at the mercy of a POS like JA. He is trying to do some really LOW stuff, not to mention, PISS OFF 1900 pilots. He better walk very carefully or he could end up cutting his nose off to spite his face!!!

100% Retro, 10% raise and many QOL improvements in the contract or I VOTE NO!!!!!!!

 

[Dave Benjamin]

:angryfireWell, if the skywst pilots end up taking OUR 70 seaters, they truely have crossed that FINE line! Yeah, I know, they are not union and have no say blah blah blah, why don't you guys get over yourselves and GROW A PAIR!! I know how many of you still have SJS, but this is getting rediculous! Why would you want to be at the mercy of a POS like JA. He is trying to do some really LOW stuff, not to mention, PISS OFF 1900 pilots. He better walk very carefully or he could end up cutting his nose off to spite his face!!!

100% Retro, 10% raise and many QOL improvements in the contract or I VOTE NO!!!!!!!

Perhaps someone can figure out which village to return Tomct to?

Should some SKYW pilot lose their job by refusing to fly "your airplanes." Are they really your airplanes or do they belong to a common holding company?

You won't make too many friends at SKYW by calling JA a POS. He's pretty well liked and respected although many have differences of opinion regarding compensation and other issues.

It's really a shame you got purchased by SKYW. Think how much better you'd be if Ornstein owned you or better yet if you hadn't been sold at all. Then you could be in bankruptcy like your colleagues at CMR.

 

["GO AROUND"]

SKW pilot's taking ASA 70 seaters????

Even I have to call stupid on that comment tomct. That's just as stupid as saying pilots take other pilots flying.

 

[Tomct]

Once again, Dave yammering on because he likes the sound of his OWN voice! I don't really care about making friends at skywst when they take pleasure in someone else's demise!

 

[Tomct]

Alright Go Around, their PILOTS are not taking our airplanes, BUT they could put a stop to most of this CRAP by voting ANY union on property. However, they choose NOT too at this time. Hopefully they will pass it soon, but until then, there is little respect for this pilot group!

 

[flyer172r]

Alright, now how does having a union prevent the transfer of the airplanes?

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Once again, Dave yammering on because he likes the sound of his OWN voice! I don't really care about making friends at skywst when they take pleasure in someone else's demise!

Alright Go Around, their PILOTS are not taking our airplanes, BUT they could put a stop to most of this CRAP by voting ANY union on property. However, they choose NOT too at this time. Hopefully they will pass it soon, but until then, there is little respect for this pilot group!

Does ASA have any mental health counselling available. I think Tommy might have an anger managment problem. I'm glad he's not my FO. Unstable folks are never much fun to work with.

First of all Tom noone has expressed any pleasure in your "demise." In fact I'm confused by your use of the word. Are you referring to the SLC base closure or your airline being rescued from bankruptcy or a future with Ornstein?

Now if I'm reading what you wrote correctly you think a successful union vote at SKYW would do what? Is joining the same union going to prevent managment from closing a base or flying being transferred? Hmmm. Maybe someone from AWAC could comment on how well ALPA prevented them from losing their flying and domiciles. I guess we should cut you a break because you sound very inexperienced in the industry. But if anyone else has some insight on how ALPA could prevent flying from being transferred between carriers please speak up. In fact didn't ASA poach some flying from Comair or vice versa? Why didn't ALPA prevent that from happening? We really need to scrap this whole free market capitalism thing, don't we?

 

[D'Angelo]

Alright Go Around, their PILOTS are not taking our airplanes, BUT they could put a stop to most of this CRAP by voting ANY union on property. However, they choose NOT too at this time. Hopefully they will pass it soon, but until then, there is little respect for this pilot group!

Actually the skywest pilot group needs to do whats best for them. Again whats with this ASA complex? Maybe you need to go see a doctor. Your anger problem really is getting out of control. I say its refreshing. The skywest guys thus far have decided they dont want a union. Now the beautiful part will be if they get ALPO all excited then end up kicking them to the curb by not voting them in. Also remember if you sign one of those cards you can always rescind your signature. You have the right to change your mind.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Is there anything in the Railroad labor act that addresses a company taking union work and giving to non union work??? I think there is.... I may be wrong

Well yes, ALPA could bring a single carrier petition. However, ALPA lost a well intentioned single carrier petition at *************************s and might be a little afraid to try again with the current NMB.

A bigger issue for ALPA is that a single carrier petition, if granted, would result in a vote to see who (if anyone) represents the new pilot group. ALPA has lost four out of the last four representational votes. If there was a vote on the ASA / Skywest property at this very moment, I do not know if ALPA would win. ALPA does not know either and is not going to take the chance.

Many of us feel a national union is best for the piloting profession. Unfortunately current ALPA management is directly responsible for this alter ego replacement flying getting out of hand to begin with. ALPA's current philosophy is that the mainline guys negotiate what they want, then the scraps go out to us to fight over. This replacement flying is the direct result of ALPA's refusal to allow us to negotiate scope within the brand.

ALPA is still better than no ALPA. But, if a vote were held today I'm sure a large perrcentage of the pilots would vote themselves a 2% pay raise and take their chances with management. After all, without scope we have no real negotiating power. Skywest is in a position to replace us and Skywest's position will improve with time.

 

[doh]

So are you admitting your not capable of speaking for yourself?? Does your MEC tell you when its ok to take a bathroom break and help you wipe your bum too? No retro for you that is an absurd demand.

You are the guy who wants the government to get involved through the arbitration process. So who can't think for himself? Dude, you need to work on fixing your own shortcomings before you take on that guy.

 

[doh]

Actually the skywest pilot group needs to do whats best for them. Again whats with this ASA complex? Maybe you need to go see a doctor. Your anger problem really is getting out of control. I say its refreshing. The skywest guys thus far have decided they dont want a union. Now the beautiful part will be if they get ALPO all excited then end up kicking them to the curb by not voting them in. Also remember if you sign one of those cards you can always rescind your signature. You have the right to change your mind.

We all have the right to change our minds right now. If we get government coerced arbitration, we will not even hav eht eright to make up our minds once! And that seems to be exactly what you want to impose on us!uke:

 

[AV8700]

Alright Go Around, their PILOTS are not taking our airplanes, BUT they could put a stop to most of this CRAP by voting ANY union on property. However, they choose NOT too at this time. Hopefully they will pass it soon, but until then, there is little respect for this pilot group!

Sure helped us with Comair and Delta didn't it!

 

[D'Angelo]

We all have the right to change our minds right now. If we get government coerced arbitration, we will not even hav eht eright to make up our minds once! And that seems to be exactly what you want to impose on us!uke:

Darn right because the unions have lost touch with the real world. They get too shoot for the moonish everytime anyone is making a dime. If you don't like the terms of arbitration you can always quit. That way you make a deal thats fair and thats that. No more wasting time with the vocal minority outlandish demands. Air transportation is critical to our economy. Its absurd to allow a strike everytime someone doesn't get all that they want. Life isnt fair and thats that. If you don't like it you can always quit. No need to flush everyones job down the toilet.