No Hawaii for Southwest at least until 2013

[XR650R]

Check the vid- it's at the very end. http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/4656844/southwest-ceo-on-earnings-fuel-prices

 

[Red Baron]

2012,2013. Who cares. It is coming one day. I think our CEO has enough going on right now with connecting the dots with the combination of us and Air Tran. The future is bright in regards to additional destinations in the future. So, what difference does a year make? Time flies!

 

[GuppyWN]

September 2012.

Gup

 

[Full of LUV]

September 2012.

Gup

12/12/12 It's one of the signs that armegeddon is upon us.....

 

[Chairman]

12/12/12 It's one of the signs that armegeddon is upon us.....

Or at least the retirements start!

 

[Fubijaakr]

I told you guys this months ago. Look for TWO years AFTER they begin the ETOPS application process.

 

[SKC]

It may be two years before the ETOPS flights begin, but it won't take two years for the approval process.

 

[Fubijaakr]

It may be two years before the ETOPS flights begin, but it won't take two years for the approval process.

It took Alaska 720 days form the first application until approval. The toughest part of the process is getting the maintenance department certified.

SWA has had their share of maintenance issues recently, have they not? Leaving aside the recent hull failure, there are the numerous fines they've had to pay for ignoring ADs. Not critical, mind you, because it happens everywhere to some degree.

But SWA has a LOT of housecleaning to do before ETOPS is granted. My estimate of two years may be a little low.

 

[SKC]

It took Alaska 720 days form the first application until approval. The toughest part of the process is getting the maintenance department certified.

SWA has had their share of maintenance issues recently, have they not? Leaving aside the recent hull failure, there are the numerous fines they've had to pay for ignoring ADs. Not critical, mind you, because it happens everywhere to some degree.

But SWA has a LOT of housecleaning to do before ETOPS is granted. My estimate of two years may be a little low.

All I have to compare it to is how quickly we had approval at RD. No where near two years and we didn't have half the resources avail here at SWA. My estimate is that we'll have to run the -800s on domestic routes for around six months before proving runs in the Fall of 2012.

But SWA has a LOT of housecleaning to do before ETOPS is granted. My estimate of two years may be a little low.

You're right, may just need to completely wipe the mx dept out and start over. Bring in some folks from every other major carrier that has gotten approval with some "maintenance issues" to show us the way.

 

[wscrj]

FUBI, our process took 2 years partly because halfway through the process, the FAA decided to suggest some serious changes to the ETOPS rules. Waiting for the dust to settle took awhile and if the decisions had gone another way, we wouldn't be flying HI at all.

See, even when we aren't reinventing the wheel, we get to participate in someone else's committee to do the same.

Viva la Humboldt!

 

[RLAblows]

I guess SWA will have to settle for, Bermuda, San Juan, CanCun, Montego Bay, Punta Cana, Aruba, and Nassau for now.

 

[labbats]

I guess SWA will have to settle for, Bermuda, San Juan, CanCun, Montego Bay, Punta Cana, Aruba, and Nassau for now.

Best of luck on 25 minute turns at all those destinations.

 

[kwick]

I guess SWA will have to settle for, Bermuda, San Juan, CanCun, Montego Bay, Punta Cana, Aruba, and Nassau for now.

SW needs Airtran more than Airtran
Needs Southwest.

It's Crazy to talk about stealing
Airtran Captain seats or Seniority.

Southwest Pilots, Get a Grip!

 

[SWA/CA]

SW needs Airtran more than Airtran
Needs Southwest.

It's Crazy to talk about stealing
Airtran Captain seats or Seniority.

Southwest Pilots, Get a Grip!

You smoking that stuff over here too?

As far as SLI - On the combined list, If a trannydudes seniority can't hold a Captain seat, I guess he wont be a Captain will he? Don't worry, he will still be getting a huge raise to be an FO. You'll get over it quick.

 

[RLAblows]

Best of luck on 25 minute turns at all those destinations.

True, but I don't think you could get a 25 minute turn out of Hawaii either.

 

[RLAblows]

SW needs Airtran more than Airtran
Needs Southwest.

It's Crazy to talk about stealing
Airtran Captain seats or Seniority.

Southwest Pilots, Get a Grip!

Huh? Who was talking about stealing AirTran Captain seats?

 

[redflyer65]

You smoking that stuff over here too?

As far as SLI - On the combined list, If a trannydudes seniority can't hold a Captain seat, I guess he wont be a Captain will he? Don't worry, he will still be getting a huge raise to be an FO. You'll get over it quick.

Exactly! I'm sure we'll have some Tranny lawsuits over it as well.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Does every thread that thas SWA in the title devolve into the SLI bunfight. Just wondering....

 

[Whataburger]

There are only a few scheduled 25 min turns left. At previous carriers, I have seen MUCH better ability and desire to turn a plane than domestic. Except for DAL, AUS, and LBB.

No way for the -800 or when we're the launch customer for Boeing's 737 replacement.

I am sure we can figure it out.

 

[vixin]

Kwick obviously isnt smart enough to read about all the trouble AAI was going to be in prior to this deal. Do some research about what your CEO was saying about AAI financial future. I have done the research. Just another AAI puke spouting his garbage. On the ignore list he goes. Guys like him are the ones that need to get a grip. Better to ignore then feed the troll.