NJs...121 Certificate

[skiandsurf]

Most guys I talk to, think that NJs already has a 121 certificate. However, I was talking to one of the BBJ pilots that said we (NJs) just completed the "table tops and proving runs". And that we should get the 121 certificate "within weeks".

Asked him what that means for us, as a company. Mentioned that there might be a 757 or 767 that we might manage, then he mentioned a possible "Hawaiian Shuttle" using 737s.

IBB and 121 at the same time frame...coincidence?

 

[fischman]

This rumor has been going around for years...

 

[Guitar Guy]

IBB and 121 at the same time frame...coincidence?

Yep, coincidence. I'll believe it when I see the first planes being crewed by pilots with spiffy gold ties.

I remember how 757's were an imminent "sure thing" when I got hired in '04. And the other rumor at the time was that NetJets was buying FLOP's.

 

[Spooky 2]

This rumor has been going around for years...

I'm pretty sure that this is not a rumor at this time. The table tops were last week and if not, then this week. Just how close they are is an open question but there is no doubt that they are in the process. I personally know two of the guys involved. Hesitate to say their names, but initials are MA and the other guy who left Cargo 360 as CP, initials are CC. Don't know squat about 737's to the islands or a B757 management deal however.

 

[fischman]

I'm pretty sure that this is not a rumor at this time. The table tops were last week and if not, then this week. Just how close they are is an open question but there is no doubt that they are in the process. I personally know two of the guys involved. Hesitate to say their names, but initials are MA and the other guy who left Cargo 360 as CP, initials are CC. Don't know squat about 737's to the islands or a B757 management deal however.

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Spooky 2]

I'll believe it when I see it.

Good. I could care less if the compnay had a Part 121 cert or went of business. Makes no difference to me. Just reporting what I know.

 

[Mason]

Most guys I talk to, think that NJs already has a 121 certificate. However, I was talking to one of the BBJ pilots that said we (NJs) just completed the "table tops and proving runs". And that we should get the 121 certificate "within weeks".

Asked him what that means for us, as a company. Mentioned that there might be a 757 or 767 that we might manage, then he mentioned a possible "Hawaiian Shuttle" using 737s.

IBB and 121 at the same time frame...coincidence?

I'm pretty dumb but what does Netjets want to do with a 121 cert? Sell tickets for scheduled service on BBJs and executive configured airliners????

 

[Spooky 2]

I'm pretty dumb but what does Netjets want to do with a 121 cert? Sell tickets for scheduled service on BBJs and executive configured airliners????

Mason,

Here is the deal. With a Part 121 Cert you can carry any number of pax anywhere your ops specs allow. With a Part 135 Cert as you may have now, (Not sure), you have a pax laoad restriction. Part 125 falls in between...max pax; 20, max pay load 6000#. If you are currently Part 135, (?) you cannot exceed pax 20 or 6000# payload, erog bring me a Part 121 Cert. Makes sense to me.

 

[FLYLOW22]

What COULD NetJets do with a 121 Cert?

We could run a luxury service between key US cities with a schedule like US Airways/Delta Shuttle only we would configure the airplanes with far fewer seats and charge far more, thus actually making a profit in a completely different market.

We could fly more charters; sports teams, special events, etc.

I am sure there may be more applications but I do also feel that there is more money to be made in the markets we currently dominate.

 

[barnyard]

I forget where I was, but the ramper said he just went through a NetJets 121 training program for the BBJ.

We'll see...

 

[Spooky 2]

I know for a fact that the two pilots mentioned in my previous post have attended B767/757 recurrent within the last 90 days at DAL. So there must be more to this story than just BBJ's. Sounds good for you guys so lets hope it plays out favorably.

 

[Mooneymite]

I'll believe it when I see it.

For what it's worth I rode in the van in ATL with a flight attendant who said she was working with the group getting the 121 certification. She said they were "almost done". This was on Oct. 24.

 

[Twotter76]

To add fuel to the fire I ran into one of the MEC members who flies the BBJ (right seat: initials JH) and he mentioned that the point of the certificate was to be able to manage other large cabin aircraft for other companies not necessarily get more of our own. He did say that the 121 trials were going on this week in BDL but didn't mention anything specific as to the uses for that certificate aside from the aforementioned a/c management scheme.

 

[Dassault]

It would be nice if we could use it to get jumpseat privileges.

 

[Twotter76]

Yeah that was the first thing I asked about after hearing about the 121 cert but the short version of JH's long answer is that it still won't happen because our management won't sign off on it. Too bad really, we had a excellent chance to get it set up a few years back but it just didn't pan out. Maybe in the future, who knows....

 

[NJAowner]

Well for what is worth ... I once road in a hotel van with someone who had been in a taxi which was previously occupied by a pilot who used to work with someone who has since left NJA but is still in contact with the 2nd grade teacher of that person's son who told him that she knows 9th hand for a fact that ....

Fly safe.

 

[Spooky 2]

I don't know if Executive Jet (EJA) has any NJA DNA in it but they operated a spanking new B707-355C back in the early 70's as I recall. Finally leased it out to a real airline.

 

[RTRHD]

Well for what is worth ... I once road in a hotel van with someone who had been in a taxi which was previously occupied by a pilot who used to work with someone who has since left NJA but is still in contact with the 2nd grade teacher of that person's son who told him that she knows 9th hand for a fact that ....

Fly safe.

Your killing me :laugh:. Owners Rule!!! (literally)

 

[CA1900]

Well for what is worth ... I once road in a hotel van with someone who had been in a taxi which was previously occupied by a pilot who used to work with someone who has since left NJA but is still in contact with the 2nd grade teacher of that person's son who told him that she knows 9th hand for a fact that ....

Ferris passed out at 31 Flavors last night?

 

[CA1900]

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