NJA Quality of Life

[atpcliff]

Hi!

Jafo73: How will the flush bid work, and which bid period date will that be?

Thanx 4 the correction!

cliff
YIP

 

[imacdog]

October 1st is the annual open bid period.

 

[Jafo73]

Hi!

Jafo73: How will the flush bid work, and which bid period date will that be?

Thanx 4 the correction!

cliff
YIP

everyone looses what they currently have and bids on what they want for the next year (max) or until the next bid period (min), then it's awarded on seniority. Of course if you are senior in your fleet and want a certain 7n7 line for the rest of your life the flush bid won't effect you.

 

[igneousy2]

So does this mean then that you can no longer forecast what your days off will be 5 years from now if you aren't senior in you aircraft? Does this mean that guys starting now shouldn't expect to be able to hold christmas off for a few years?

 

[CA1900]

Does this mean that guys starting now shouldn't expect to be able to hold christmas off for a few years?

Well, Christmas (and 9 other holidays) will pay more; plenty of us will celebrate a couple days early/late, and bid the holiday for extra money. Plus, on the 7/7, it's often the case that if you have Thanksgiving off, you'll work Christmas, and vice-versa.

But to answer your question, yes, it's possible your 7/7 line could change every year, but at least it won't be every quarter. That seems a reasonable compromise, and one that rewards seniority, which is a good thing. (And I say that as a junior guy!)

The Open bid (where you can be bumped to a different line) is the one starting October 1st, so there's still plenty of time to make summer plans.

 

[IDEtoNJA]

The Open bid (where you can be bumped to a different line) is the one starting October 1st, so there's still plenty of time to make summer plans.

CA1900,

Just to clarify, this year's the open bid period is going to be the June 1st bid period. The next open bid period will be Oct 1st, 2009. All the open bid periods thereafter will be the Oct 1st bid period.

IDEtoNJA

 

[CA1900]

Yep, didn't mean to omit that. A few things are different in this transition period. Good catch!

 

[gordon24]

Hi!

The three bid periods are Feb 1, Jun 1, and Oct 1. Your schedule (7/7, 15 reserve, 18 schd reserve) could change at these three points.

If U R a new-hire, you will be on the 18 day until your IOE is over, and then when the specific bid period that you are in is over.

For example, if you finished training 2 weeks before the bid period, you could potentially be off the 18 day bid in two weeks. If you finish with 3 1/2 months left, you will be on the 18th for that time period.

You could be forced to stay on the 18th, as the max % it can go down each bid period is 10% of the pilot group for your plane. In other words, if it was 40% of the pilots (the max), it could only go down to 30% the next bid period.

cliff
YIP

This cat isn't even on property yet and already thinks he knows the contract.

 

[fischman]

This cat isn't even on property yet and already thinks he knows the contract.

GOOD!!!

 

[CA1900]

The three bid periods are Feb 1, Jun 1, and Oct 1. Your schedule (7/7, 15 reserve, 18 schd reserve) could change at these three points.

No, it can't, unless you specifically bid something different. Only during the open bid period (the June 1 bid next year; Oct 1 all subsequent years) can it change without your consent. Even then, you cannot be junior-assigned onto the 18-day schedule (which is no longer called Reserve). Only the 15-day schedule can be junior-assigned, and that's only if 10% of senior folks don't bid it.

If U R a new-hire, you will be on the 18 day until your IOE is over, and then when the specific bid period that you are in is over.

That's not correct. Here's the exactly language from the contract; highlighting is mine:

19.4(D) IOE Training Schedule
A crewmember commencing IOE training will be placed on the 18-Day Training Schedule effective the first day of the duty tour in which he commences IOE Training and compensated according to the 18-Day Fixed Schedule wage tables set forth in subsection 27.1(C). The maximum tour length and minimum number of days off for a crewmember on the 18-Day Training Schedule will be as provided in subsection 19.1(B). A crewmember will not be required to remain on the 18-Day Training Schedule for more than 120 days or after he successfully completes IOE Training, whichever occurs first; provided, the 120 day period may be extended on a day-by-day basis for circumstances beyond the control of the Company (e.g., crewmember performance difficulties, simulator malfunction, crewmember vacation, LOA).

19.4(D)(1) Completion of IOE Training
A crewmember will be assigned to the 18-Day Fixed Schedule or, if applicable, the schedule he was awarded pursuant to subsection 19.4(D)(4), effective (a) the last day of duty tour in which he completes IOE training; or (b) at the expiration of the 120 day period described in subsection 19.4(D), whichever occurs first; provided, that if the crewmember has completed IOE training within the 120 day period described in subsection 19.4(D), he may be required to remain on the 18-Day Training Schedule for up to 30 additional days until he completes a Part 135.299 Check Ride, if required. A crewmember assigned to the 18-Day Fixed Schedule pursuant to this subsection will not be required to work more than eighteen (18) days in the calendar month that he is assigned to the 18-Day Fixed Schedule. The crewmember will maintain the 18-Day Fixed Schedule until he is assigned or successfully bids a different Schedule under the terms of this Section 19. Notwithstanding the forty percent (40%) limitation set forth in subsection 19.3(A), the assignment of a crewmember to the 18-Day Fixed Schedule pur- suant to this subsection will not result in the involuntary displace- ment of another crewmember from his existing 18-Day Fixed Schedule prior to the next scheduled open or closed bid period.


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For example, if you finished training 2 weeks before the bid period, you could potentially be off the 18 day bid in two weeks. If you finish with 3 1/2 months left, you will be on the 18th for that time period.

Again, not correct in this contract. In the prior contract, yes, you'd have to finish out the bid period before you could get a 7/7. That's not the case anymore.

You could be forced to stay on the 18th, as the max % it can go down each bid period is 10% of the pilot group for your plane. In other words, if it was 40% of the pilots (the max), it could only go down to 30% the next bid period.

That part's correct, yes.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

Thanx 4 the clarifications. I was, actually, "on the property" so to speak, for an interview. I was reporting what the people we talked to in CMH told us. Obviously, they don't all know the details of the contract. They only have so much time to get us the info, so they are constrained by that situation, as well as the fact the contract is new.

I thought everything went well, but, obviously, it's not up to me. I hope I get hired. If not, I'll reapply in 6 months, as long as I'm not somewhere else that's also really good first.

cliff
YIP

 

[Ultra Grump]

No, it can't, unless you specifically bid something different. Only during the open bid period (the June 1 bid next year; Oct 1 all subsequent years) can it change without your consent. Even then, you cannot be junior-assigned onto the 18-day schedule (which is no longer called Reserve). Only the 15-day schedule can be junior-assigned, and that's only if 10% of senior folks don't bid it.

Actually, you can be junior assigned to the 15-day at any of the bid periods.

 

[blueridge71]

Any other limitations on hot standby? On average, how often do you get that assignment?

Thanks for the responses guys.

 

[fischman]

Any other limitations on hot standby? On average, how often do you get that assignment?

Thanks for the responses guys.

When on hot spare, you need to have the airplane pre-flighted and 1.5 hours of fuel on board (+reserve). If you get the call, try to be airbourne in 30 minutes. (Do NOT rush, and only fly when YOU are ready).

Hot spare happens all the time.

 

[jet600]

Hey guys,
Here's a quick question,
I'm suppose to start indoc with Netjets on 7 Jan. You dont think they'll change their class line up around inlight of this new IBB passing do ya? I think they had 2 classes starting in Jan....I'm hoping that doesnt change....any thoughts??

 

[fischman]

Hey guys,
Here's a quick question,
I'm suppose to start indoc with Netjets on 7 Jan. You dont think they'll change they're class line up around inlight of this new IBB passing do ya? I think they had 2 classes starting in Jan....I'm hoping that doesnt change....any thoughts??

I'm not in training, but I wouldn't worry about it.

However, I did hear they are starting a class on Dec 24.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

They told us the two classes first 1/2 Jan. Beyond that? I'm not sure if they know yet.

cliff
YIP