Next up.......AAI/AWA Code Share

[lowecur]

It's being discussed on the Yahoo Board. These are the 2nd/3rd largest LCCs, and it sure makes alot of sense. No market overlap to speak of, and a way to help each other out in an LCC world that is dominated by SWA.

If it works, who knows, maybe a merger!

 

[FDJ2]

If it works, who knows, maybe a merger!

Lowecur, you sure do like to stir that pot.

 

[On Your Six]

Who knows, maybe Comair and Frontier will merge next...

 

[atldc9]

I think it is an idea worth looking at. They talked, albeit briefly, about a joint bid for ATA. Both have to deal with SWA. Both have their eyes on a more national airline.

If you merged the 2 airlines what would you have? Hubs in ATL, PHX, and LAS. Strong southeast US and East Coast flow from FL. West coast and Mexico from HP.

From a fleet perspective, you could replace the Mesa 90 seaters with 717's, and use AirTran's order for 100 737's to replace most of HP's fleet. Over a four year period, you go from the 737-200/300's and A-319/20's to all 737-700/800, and possibly even the -900 to replace the 75's.

At the end of the 4 years, you have a very young, all Boeing, 2 airplane fleet, 717's and 737-700/800/900. I'm sure Boeing would love to get involved, sticking it to Airbus in the process.

Who knows?

 

[75M]

A code share between AWA and AAI...BRILLIANT!

Seriously, TWA and AWA agreed to a code share a month or so before AMR bought TWA. The combined route map looked pretty good.

It seems that if AWA was willing to agree to that codeshare, an agrement with AAI would also be a possibility.

Lowecure, my man, you're a genius!

 

[AA717driver]

75M--Beers Sat. night? Union Jacks?TC

 

[75M]

Man, that would be sweet, but I'm in the ATL for a trip that starts tomorrow. Maybe during the week.

 

[IAHERJ]

I like the posts above. I've always thought that AWA and AAI would make good partners. The combined route map is impresssing in a time when consolidation is rapidly approaching the LCC industry. Most of the big 5 carriers CEO's have been forcasting LCC consolidation over the next year or two. If ego's in the top floor suites didn't get int he way, we'd probably already be there in some fashion or another. Nobody's management team wants to lose control.

I ahve to say that I'm a bit dissapointed for AirTran in the loss of the MDW deal. My only confort is the thought that less employees will lose jobs at ATA with the SWA deal. I wish all involved the best in the upcomming year.

IAHERJ

 

[-9Capt]

When I was hired at AirTran (7yrs ago) America West was the hot rumor. The chief pilot even had the America West route map overlaid on ours hanging on his wall.

 

[xanderman]

Not all boeing

Just my two cents but... I really doubt that having an all Boeing fleet would be the wise choice. I know that the reason AWA is planning on sticking with the two (Boeing/Airbus) is competition make the planes cheaper.
Andy

 

[Wiskey Driver]

It does make for interesting reading but not really practical!!! While a joint venture between our two companies could be profitable, the real problem is a/c size. We need long hual birds ie 757's or larger for the deep south america runs that we have been talking up over here. In any event I would love to see it happen if for no other reason than to see Ty Webb on our list JR to me

Happy holidays all.

WD.

 

[PHXFLYR]

I always thought, prior to ATA's financial difficulties, that a 3 way comprehensive
code-share agreement between ATA,AWA and Air Tran would have been the way to go. Much better than a merger with all the intergration issue headaches that go along with it. And one heck of a route network with hubs at MDW,ATL,PHX,LAS. That would have caught the legacy carrier's attention and might have caused SWA and Jet Blue to raise an eyebrow,too! Ah,but what do we know...we're just dumb ol' "line swine"



PHXFLYR

 

[Ty Webb]

In any event I would love to see it happen if for no other reason than to see Ty Webb on our list JR to me


WD.

HA HA! Too late for that. There would be a fence around me and my airplane so high, you'd need to commandeer a de-ice truck just to bring me my coffee.

Besides, we have the cash, baby . . . . .

 

[stillflyn]

Next merger: JetBlue & Frontier..... Just kidding

 

[JetMonkey]

HA HA! Too late for that. There would be a fence around me and my airplane so high, you'd need to commandeer a de-ice truck just to bring me my coffee.

Besides, we have the cash, baby . . . . .

We have the strongest cash posistion we've ever had in our history my friend, even with the ATSB loan.

 

[PHXFLYR]

At the risk of incurring the wrath of Xanderman , Air Tran made their cash the old fashioned way.... "'THEY EARNED IT!" America West's cash position is propped up by the ATSB loan guarentees which allowed them to secure a loan for something like $385 million a few years ago. Waiting for incoming, Xanderman .


PHXFLYR

 

[F9 Driver]

"Next merger: JetBlue & Frontier..... Just kidding"

Never say never, but... Naaah. I don't think so.

I'll say again that I don't see all these mergers and buyouts happening. Too much culture shock and sticker shock for no good reason.

I see code sharing as the way to go, and I guess WN thinks so too.

I can't remember who the analysist was who said it but, "Nobody ever sat back after an airline merger and said," WOW that was a great idea!""

 

[Wiskey Driver]

At the risk of incurring the wrath of Xanderman , Air Tran made their cash the old fashioned way.... "'THEY EARNED IT!" America West's cash position is propped up by the ATSB loan guarentees which allowed them to secure a loan for something like $385 million a few years ago. Waiting for incoming, Xanderman .


PHXFLYR

Hold on there bro, you seem to have forgotton one BIG part. Do you remember last yr the company sold somewhere in the neighborhood of $400 Mill in stock?? I thought that was why our cash position is where it is!!

WD.

 

[xanderman]

At the risk of incurring the wrath of Xanderman , Air Tran made their cash the old fashioned way.... "'THEY EARNED IT!" America West's cash position is propped up by the ATSB loan guarentees which allowed them to secure a loan for something like $385 million a few years ago. Waiting for incoming, Xanderman .


PHXFLYR

Wrath!?! C'mon I'm just a little guy. ...And junior to you as well!

 

[PHXFLYR]

Whiskey Driver;


You know, you might be right about the 400 million in stock,Kinda forgot about that.... Anyway, you guys have a nice Christmas




PHXFLYR