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ATLDRVR

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Just got a message from the company, AirTran, that all crewmembers traveling as pax must access the sterile area through screening checkpoints and be screened. They also may be screened again at the airplane. This is per the TSA.

For those of you in ATL, does this mean to non-rev I will have to park in the pay lots instead of the company lot or is the TSA going to set up an alternative screening for the employees?
 
ATLDRVR said:
Just got a message from the company, AirTran, that all crewmembers traveling as pax must access the sterile area through screening checkpoints and be screened. They also may be screened again at the airplane. This is per the TSA.
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Because don't forget, WE are the true threats to the aviation community. That 10 year FBI background check, fingerprinting, and general constant scrutiny isn't good enough, now we have to have the TSA dropouts go through our stuff multiple times a leg. What a deal.
 
That'll put a dent in schedulings plans when they reassign you to a deadhead and you miss the flight because you had to go out front to go through screening. J M wasn't specific on either non-rev or deadhead. To me a crewmember who is riding as a pax sure sounds like a deadheader. (Unless rampers and agents are now considered crewmembers? They do control the A/C while it's at the gate)
 
Yeah, 'cause there's SO many people who are going to PAY to park when deadheading...

Not.

Good luck implementing and enforcing that...

TSA. :rolleyes:
 
That was the problem with the message, like most messages we get, it was not very specific and leaves a lot of questions unanswered.

If I am not in uniform can I park in the employee lot, what if I am not flying but at the airport to pick up something or renew my badge do I have to go through screening, what if I am a commuter on the first flight of the morning do I have to arrive even earlier to go through screening?
 
Lear70 said:
Yeah, 'cause there's SO many people who are going to PAY to park when deadheading...

Not.

Good luck implementing and enforcing that...

TSA. :rolleyes:
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Three step checklist:
(1) Find a phone
(2) Call Crew Scheduling
(3) Tell 'em you are sick

Really - this is a half baked idea that is simply going to have to be revised. What about ready reserves? What about Deadheads? What about the crew bus schedule? What about short calls?

Unfortunately there is no requirement that government regulators know anything about the business that they are regulating. Thanks to the Comair Rampers in MCO that brought much of this on us....

With other changes at my airline, I'm now planning on leaving a full 2 hours before duty in. The drive to the airport is 30 minutes, the rest is pure crap.... When will NetJets do home basing?
 
Sounds like a bunch of crap. Can't wait to see the mess this makes of things. Are they doing this to all the airlines in ATL or just AAI? Are DL and ASA going through the same BS?
 
I guess I am lost on this thing. I always go through security, whether working or commuting. Does this now mean that if I begin my day at an outstation, go through security and fly a few legs, if I now have to deadhead I must go out of security and go back through? Even though I was already screened and never left a sterile area? Just a little confused what all the fuss is about. I think the ones who are going to be affected are the gate agents and such who have a SIDA badge and plan on non-reving at the end of their shift or something like that.
 
This is what the big deal is all about. I am a commuter who starts my day off in Atlanta by driving from my crashpad to Camp Creek. I take the bus from Camp Creek to the terminal where I do my 4 legs of flying that ends at 4:45 back in Atlanta. Now I want to commute home and the flight leaves at 5:15. Usually I would be able to make this connection, but now because I have yet to go through any security screening that day, I will have to find my way back to the front of the airport and go through screening before being able to commute. That just took at least another 30 minutes and I missed my flight. Thanks alot.

The only way I see around this is if you know that you will be commuting that day, go through screening at the beginning of your day and never leave a sterile area. I think this will keep you covered.
 
A TSA Manager said that ALL employees that have access to the sterile area must be screened. Rampers, CSAs, Pilots, FAs...everyone. It closes another hole in the system. The new requirements stem from the MCO ordeal. He went on to say that there will be random screenings at the gates again and that crewmembers and non-revs won't be exempt. Now whether this is actually being put into practice, I don't know.

*Read the new rules and everyone in the sterile area must be screened and even crewmembers working flights will be subject to random screenings at the gates. Doesn't look like anyone can bypass security, even those with SIDA badges.
 
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Again, the problem is enforcement.

Unless they completely BLOCK our SIDA access and re-route the bus to the front of the terminals so we are FORCED to go through screening in order to even GET to ops, there's still huge holes in the system.

They can't possibly screen every single SIDA access employee at the gate.

The last thing the public wants is to watch their entire flight crew getting the rubber glove treatment right before you board an aircraft.

What will be amusing is when one of these TSA numbnuts goes head to head with an FFDO and the TSA genius wants to open his bag with the weapon in it. The FFDO, per SOP, obviously wouldn't let him, and it's gonna get ugly.

Whoever thought this sh*t up isn't exactly qualifying for Mensa anytime soon. Solve one problem by creating 3 more.
 
NEDude in ATL we do not go through screening as employees. How is the TSA in ATL going to handle all this extra screening especially during ramp and csa shift change. Are they going to set up a separate screening area for employees or do we go through screening with the pax and make their screening process even longer.
 
Lear70 said:
What will be amusing is when one of these TSA numbnuts goes head to head with an FFDO and the TSA genius wants to open his bag with the weapon in it. The FFDO, per SOP, obviously wouldn't let him, and it's gonna get ugly.
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Not just that bag, but any of an FFDOs bags. Ugly isn't the word for it either.
 
ATLDRVR said:
NEDude in ATL we do not go through screening as employees. How is the TSA in ATL going to handle all this extra screening especially during ramp and csa shift change. Are they going to set up a separate screening area for employees or do we go through screening with the pax and make their screening process even longer.
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It's all about TSA job security. Just think, all of those Thousands Standing Around now have some fresh meat. This will increase traffic through the checkpoints by at least 25%. More TSA jobs, more TSA promotions!
 
The business of screening everybody has been going on for a loooong time at PHX in Terminal 4. Technically there aren't any "side entrances" for rampers or crew members so EVERYONE has to go through security. Used to be we had our own line/screening point but the commander in chief of the checkpoint eliminated that fantasy. Now we stand in line with the rest of the traveling public who still doesn't remember to take their laptop out or toss the bottle of water in their roll-aboard. So, while the screeners take their jolly time conducting a bag check, we're all looking at our watches and glaring at the moron who thought they'd get by with a 4oz bottle of God-knows-what.
 
atrdriver said:
Because don't forget, WE are the true threats to the aviation community. That 10 year FBI background check, fingerprinting, and general constant scrutiny isn't good enough, now we have to have the TSA dropouts go through our stuff multiple times a leg. What a deal.
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Throw in us mil guys...you can add a DOD Secret (or much higher) clearance with many background checks on top of the FBI/FAA checks. Yes...we are the threat.
 
ATLDRVR said:
Just got a message from the company, AirTran, that all crewmembers traveling as pax must access the sterile area through screening checkpoints and be screened. They also may be screened again at the airplane. This is per the TSA.

For those of you in ATL, does this mean to non-rev I will have to park in the pay lots instead of the company lot or is the TSA going to set up an alternative screening for the employees?
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I know most of you have already seen this but just in case you missed it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykzqFz_nHZE

(it's the TSA "best of the best" SNL spoof concerning gels and liquids)



This new rule is going to be ammended because it won't fly for long.............:angryfire
 
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When will NetJets do home basing?

Hootie9750 said:
That's exactly my thoughts!
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that may be in the works according to my netjets friend in my neighborhood.........
 
Just comply, and waste as much time at the checkpoint as possible. Don't take anything off. Fumble with your cellphone. Make them search you and wand you. The more we jam up the checkpoints, the faster this stupid rule will be changed!

It's time we pilots grow a set, and practice a little CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE at the checkpoint!!!!
 
John Pennekamp said:
Just comply, and waste as much time at the checkpoint as possible. Don't take anything off. Fumble with your cellphone. Make them search you and wand you. The more we jam up the checkpoints, the faster this stupid rule will be changed!

It's time we pilots grow a set, and practice a little CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE at the checkpoint!!!!
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Sounds like an excellent plan.... I will post this in my crew room next to the mailboxes!
 
For those of you still fortunate enough to bypass checkpoint screening with a SIDA badge, I fear that privilege will be gone everywhere soon if you are travelling on an aircraft, whether working, deadheading, or commuting. SEA recently revoked crewmember SIDA badges (not rampers, CSAs, etc.) in order to force us through checkpoint screening (which is ironic since our check-in room location requires us to enter the SIDA, let alone the sterile area). Anyone NOT travelling on an airplane that retained their SIDA badge can still bypass.

So I don't think this latest directive was based on the ramper smuggling incident in MCO, for two reasons: 1) We learned we were losing our SIDA badges in SEA well before the incident, and 2) Rampers are still exempt from checkpoint screening.

But I've now read about 3 different company's version of this directive and each one is slightly different, so without seeing the directive itself, I don't know what it really means.

By the way, any crewmembers going through checkpoint screening and not cutting right to the front of the line, are wasting their time. Cut to the front (right to the x-ray machine) and let all the pax scowl at you. It ain't your fault thems the rules.
 
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Maybe it's time for a sickout for all of the crews at all the airlines on the same days! We're sick of TSA and we'll feel better when they can no longer "control" us.
 

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