New pilots learning on glass cockpits

[mtrv]

Fact of the matter is, while glass maybe cool to look at and play with, it doesn't make up for learning to fly the old fashioned way...stick, rudder, needle, ball, and airspeed. There is just no substitute! I've messed around with the G1000 and its an incredible piece of equipment but I agree that its a bad idea for initial training and that we will soon see pilots who can ONLY fly glass...leading to sub par pilots IMHO.

Will

It's obvious, that some pilots here, are just jealous.
It will be just like video games, as your kids will run circles around you!

 

[stearnst]

is it me or are people forgetting about pilatage and ded-wreckoning?

what do you mean worst comes to worst? lose electric power and have to force land it? whats with all the hype about GPS? i dont turn that thing on at all when im teaching primary's. they ask to use it on XC's and i say no

Just out of curiosity, when DO you allow/introduce your students to utilize the GPS?

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

According to my instructor in my last recurrent groundschool, the current FAA plan is by 2009 to have one LOC per major airport. Those would be the ONLY ground-based navigation systems in use in the US.

That means, NO NDB, VOR, LDA, or SDF approaches, and, basically, no LOC, LOC/BC or ILS approaches either, as ATL/LAX/ORD, etc. would only have 1, to only 1 runway (I guess 2, if there was a BC).

It is good to know how to do an NDB approach, if you don't have GPS capability in your plane, but I don't see any other good reason to learn it.

I know one pilot that will turn off the IFR certified GPS and fly the airways, thus burning lots more cheap aviation fuel. Not so good for the bottom line.

cliff
YIP

PS-As a cost saving measure, and as a way to return to the "old days", before we had ICEs, Flight Instructors could turn off their airplane's engines and force their students to fly the rest of the lesson without an engine. I bet they'd learn a lot of interesting skills that way!

 

[Kream926]

Just out of curiosity, when DO you allow/introduce your students to utilize the GPS?

when they can keep me within 3 mins of the checkpoints, 2 miles on course and get me a ground speed +- 5kts then i know they know how to do it the old fashioned way. the best nav equipment are the eyes, compass and a map. im a young guy but call me old fashioned....

 

[mtrv]

the best nav equipment are the eyes, compass and a map.

And your eyes and brain are calculating your position on the map, instead of keeping an eye for traffic, terrain, obstructions, birds, etc.

With 24 GPS satellites plus spares orbiting the earth for good reason, how about using the GPS for an exact picture of your position in relation to restricted air spaces, tower obstructions, emergency airports, etc.

Then follow along with your detailed map (sectional), and what you see on the ground. This way, it's more time for eyes out the windscreen, and a much better awareness of exact position, should an emergency arise.

In this day and age, with more traffic, more restricted airspace; and the chance to get your self out of trouble, should an immediate dose of situational awareness be required, then it seems to be a bit dumb to remain old fashioned, for the sake of it, doesn't it?

And of course, with today's technology, we have the added bonus of weather patterns for hundreds of miles, as well as depictions of current TFR's, and terrain warnings that can make all the difference in darkness. Horizontal position to within about three feet, and vertical position that can better the majority of altimeters, when using WAAS.

Sticking with the old fashioned way for the sake of it, seems silly. Almost irresponsible! Like I've previously mentioned, I kept track of flight into terrain accidents for years and years. It's all about getting disorrented with only a few seconds to loose. GPS technology, can and will make a difference.

Ever seen the new 3D terrain mapping technology for IFR approaches in IMC? Would everyone just prefer to stick with the old way, when 3D is common place?

 

[PCL_128]

when they can keep me within 3 mins of the checkpoints, 2 miles on course and get me a ground speed +- 5kts then i know they know how to do it the old fashioned way. the best nav equipment are the eyes, compass and a map. im a young guy but call me old fashioned....

Amen to that! Thank God someone teaching out there still has some common sense..

 

[TrafficInSight]

And your eyes and brain are calculating your position on the map, instead of keeping an eye for traffic, terrain, obstructions, birds, etc.

Unfortunately now you're staring at the GPS display waiting for a traffic alert that never comes.