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zeroline

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Looks like northwest is starting a regional which will be flown by furloughed NW Pilots, called Compass. They will use Independence's old certificate and be based in IAD.

Heres the article:

Northwest details plan to start regional carrier
Thu Mar 30, 2006 12:11 PM ET
By Kyle Peterson
CHICAGO, March 30 (Reuters) - Bankrupt Northwest Airlines (NWACQ.PK: Quote, Profile, Research), which aims to launch a regional carrier called Compass Airlines in June, has asked the government to approve its purchase of Independence Air's operating certificate, the No. 5 U.S. carrier said on Thursday.
In a filing with the U.S. Transportation Department this week, Northwest detailed its plans to start Compass, which is expected to have a fleet of at least 36 76-seat planes within five years.
Northwest bought the operating certificate of the defunct low-fare airline Independence Air this month. Independence, a unit of FLYi Inc. (FLYIQ.PK: Quote, Profile, Research), ceased operations in January.
"The expansion of Northwest's regional flying through the proposed Compass Airlines operation is an essential part of Northwest's restructuring plan," Northwest said in a statement.
"Compass is expected to enhance Northwest's service in a variety of small and medium-sized markets by providing convenient connections at Northwest's domestic hubs at Minneapolis/St. Paul, Detroit and Memphis," Northwest said.
The transfer of the Independence operating certificate requires approval from the Transportation Department as well as the court overseeing the bankruptcy of FLYi. Northwest is in bankruptcy, too, cutting costs to compete in an industry plagued by soaring fuel prices and low-fare competition.
As part of its restructuring, Northwest intends for Compass to provide passengers with access to its domestic and international systems. The carrier currently relies on partners Pinnacle Airlines Corp. (PNCL.O: Quote, Profile, Research) and Mesaba Aviation, a unit of MAIR Holdings Inc. (MAIR.O: Quote, Profile, Research), to provide this access.
Airline consultant Michael Boyd said the purchase of Independence's operating certificate will mean little to the flying public, but it would streamline the process by which Northwest brings more regional flying in-house.
"They're moving in a measured way to move more flying within Northwest," Boyd said. "It gets their system costs down. It allows the them to be far more efficient, and it gives a seamless Northwest product."
Initially, Compass would fly the same type of 50-seat jet as Independence and would continue to be based at Washington Dulles International Airport, Northwest said in the filing. The first Compass route would provide daily nonstop service between Dulles and Minneapolis/St. Paul.
Additional service with larger 76-seat jets is anticipated during the first full year of operations under a growth plan that forecasts a fleet of at least 36 such aircraft within five years, Northwest said.
The Compass plan is consistent with a tentative labor agreement Northwest reached with its pilots union this month. Those contract negotiations were stalled by Northwest's intention to start a regional carrier using smaller jets.
The Air Line Pilots Association had argued that the subsidiary would encroach on Northwest pilots' right to fly aircraft with more than 70 seats. The airline cleared that hurdle, however, by promising its furloughed pilots preferential hiring opportunities at Compass.
Northwest, which aims to cut labor costs by $1.4 billion annually, reached a tentative deal with its pilots this month on a contract that saves the airline $358 million a year. That deal is subject to ratification by Northwest's 5,000 pilots.
The carrier also has tentative agreements with its flight attendants and most of its ground workers. Northwest still lacks deals with two work groups represented by the International Association of Machinists.
The airline has asked for court permission to terminate the existing contracts it has with workers that have not made the concessions Northwest says it needs to survive.
The IAM said a trial on that request was set to resume on May 15 and that the union was prepared to resume negotiations.

Here's the link:

http://yahoo.reuters.com/stocks/QuoteCompanyNewsArticle.aspx?storyID=urn:newsml:reuters.com:20060330:MTFH44315_2006-03-30_17-12-06_N30280154&symbol=NWACQ.PK&rpc=44
 
Yeah and keep in mind, this new alter-ego carrier will be flown by furloughed NWA pilots, which will result in furloughs of 2/3 of the mesaba pilot group. Why? Because, they are taking all the Mesaba flying flown by the Avro, and shifting it over to Compass.

NWA pilots know this, but will probably approve the TA that seals the coffin at Mesaba.

Any furloughed NWA pilot that accepts a position at Compass, is a SCAB !

Thanks ALPA, you've done it again.
 
tripacer said:
Any furloughed NWA pilot that accepts a position at Compass, is a SCAB !

Thanks ALPA, you've done it again.

scab ( P ) Pronunciation Key (skb)
n.

A worker who refuses membership in a labor union.
An employee who works while others are on strike; a strikebreaker.
A person hired to replace a striking worker.



None of the above.
 
GogglesPisano said:
scab ( P ) Pronunciation Key (skb)
n.

A worker who refuses membership in a labor union.
An employee who works while others are on strike; a strikebreaker.
A person hired to replace a striking worker.



None of the above.
Uh, almost there buddy, you forgot the first one - Scab (slang) A person regarded as contemptible.

Contemptible: Deserving of contempt; despicable.

Just explain why NWA pilots get a pass over to Compass, but pilots that went to Freedumb, *************************, and MidAtlantic, were scabs? I remember a scab list being circulated on this very board, of the pilots that went to Freedumb.
Isnt that a double standard?

Maybe a scab list of the NWA guys heading to Compass is in order?
 
tripacer said:
Uh, almost there buddy, you forgot the first one - Scab (slang) A person regarded as contemptible.

Contemptible: Deserving of contempt; despicable.

Just explain why NWA pilots get a pass over to Compass, but pilots that went to Freedumb, *************************, and MidAtlantic, were scabs? I remember a scab list being circulated on this very board, of the pilots that went to Freedumb.
Isnt that a double standard?

Maybe a scab list of the NWA guys heading to Compass is in order?

Nobody ever circulated a "scab" list for the original Freedom guys. There was however, a list of the original SCUMBAGS or F A Gs (Freedom A Guys) that went over. The use of the term scab has been thrown around too frequently as of late. Northwest (or the holding company, sorry not too familiar) actually is the entity that sees fit to put whomever on whichever routes they desire.

To make it simple: It is only scab flying if Mesaba sold tickets marketed under their own name brand from ABC to XYZ and Northwest stepped in to fill the void had they not already flown that route.
 
Quote: "....Mesaba flying flown by the Avro."

As I understand, the AVROs were purchased with profit that should have gone to the NWA pilots through profit sharing; instead of NWA pilots flying the aircraft acquired with their capital (due to loopholes in the contract), another pilot group flies them (so who are actually the SCABs?). The AVROs are known as RJs by the NWA pilot group (as in 'R' jets or 'Our Jets'), since NWA owns and/or leases them (not Mesaba).
 
well, i beleive that i agree with that deal about when the avro flying go to that new compass, that is like scabbing......good point......can we legally bust those guys up....like old union days? haha.....how do we get to DC to walk the line ????

but its my beleif, that that article said that 36 planes will go to the new company....that means there are 54 more planes that need to go somewhere else to equal the total 90 aircraft. not really thinking its guranteed that MEsaba would get any planes....but since i think polad has a lot of pull in the NWA world, i think there is no way that MAIR holdings will be left out of the picture.

Anyone hear they are recalling all the MEsaba flight attendants and then hiring a bunch more?
 
nevermind.........
 
How dare those furloughed pilots expect to fly the airplanes that are replacing the DC9s they used to fly! It's outrageous that they should expect to fly a new airplane purchased by their company.

It's obvious that that work should be outsourced to the lowest bidder.

What color is the sky in your world?
 
tripacer said:
Uh, almost there buddy, you forgot the first one - Scab (slang) A person regarded as contemptible.

Contemptible: Deserving of contempt; despicable.

Just explain why NWA pilots get a pass over to Compass, but pilots that went to Freedumb, *************************, and MidAtlantic, were scabs? I remember a scab list being circulated on this very board, of the pilots that went to Freedumb.
Isnt that a double standard?

Maybe a scab list of the NWA guys heading to Compass is in order?

One day you'll see the big picture and maybe start having a clue what you're talking about... We're obviously not there yet.
 
It is amazing that some of you guys think it is fair to take furloughed NWA to fly and furlough Mesaba guys. Hey, there are still guys loosing their jobs. Are you saying it is OK for a "Legacy" guy to take the job of a "Regional" but not vice versa?

Airline Mis Management has turned all of you into their Little Bitches. Whipsawing at it's BEST...
 
This is nothing new

Lets not act like this is a new for a airline. We saw this done at US Airways when they spun Mid-Atlantic off. It must be a bit un-nerving to be replacing yourself (on furlough) with yourself at a lower pay scale. Either way, we will all suffer. Any pilot losing their job or having the job being done at a lower pay scale will hirt us all. Don't forget it.
My condolences to those about to have their life ruined and shame on those who profit by it.
 
Throttle jockey - you are correct. How long do you think it will take Northwest to spin off Compass to Mesa, Chautauqua, or God forbid (for me) Skywest in exchange for a little exit financing?

Then, just like the US Air pilots, the transformation will be complete - using mainline seniority to take another ALPA member's regional job for less pay.

Where is my friend who flew for Gulfstream who was a Mesaba pilot, who's logo was an RJDC logo with a slash through it? I think it is "I told you so" time. Wonder if he wants Haber's phone number now?
 
It is way to early to to see who will be flying what for NW. This new airline developed by NW is a tool to beat up the pilot groups, no diffrent then the purchase of Big Sky, that was used as a hammer to beat on XJ pilots. Stay cool until the TA at NW is decided, Then see if XJ can push through a TA, then see where the these new planes go.
 
Where are the Midatlantic pilots now? As I recall they got a screw job after Republic bought the Midatlantic planes. The only protection Compass has is for the flow through. Once they are sold, the stapling will begin.
 
Everybody is saying that Compass will be spun off to Republic, Mesa, Skywest or whoever. But you're forgetting that Northwest likes to have its cake and eat it too. I think we're all forgetting about MAIR. Since Mesaba wants the side letter between the pilots and Big Sky thrown out, that would make MAIR in a great position to aquire Compass. I'm not saying that this is what I want to happen, just an observation.

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And that is why we must fight tooth and nail to keep the letter intact. That letter is our only protection.
 
Somehow the Regional Guys are going to get it in the rear. The Mainline Guys will come out with job albeit lower wages. It is going to be lower wages from now on. Once you accept the concessions, management smells the blood in the water.
 

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