NetJets time between training and IOE??

[flyipilot]

Hello,

I would like to know how long the down time is between training and IOE? I have heard all kinds of times from a month to 3 or more. I started there last Monday and the company is not real clear on knowing any info and they seem to all say it just depends. Has anyone out there who has actually had some time off between? Are they still running behind or are they caught up? I am on the Citation X. Thanks for any info!!

Eric

 

[Archie Bunker]

Hello,

I would like to know how long the down time is between training and IOE? I have heard all kinds of times from a month to 3 or more. I started there last Monday and the company is not real clear on knowing any info and they seem to all say it just depends. Has anyone out there who has actually had some time off between? Are they still running behind or are they caught up? I am on the Citation X. Thanks for any info!!

Eric

Eric,

Get ready for a nice little paid vacation. I finished the simulator course on the X in mid June, and I just finished company aircraft training last week. I haven't started IOE yet, and I have no idea when I will start. The X is really backed up, to say the least. Good luck.

 

[flyipilot]

Thanks for the info. I have heard it was backed up a bit but here at training, they all seem so mum about it and say that they do not know any sort of time lines. Last class they sent one or two people right to IOE within 5 days of training but I am not sure which A/C they were on. Thanks again!

 

[Buddro]

Archie,

Very true, however the wait between aircraft training and IOE is very short lived in the X. It was only 6 days for me man. Get ready the vacation is almost over....

Buddro

 

[Buddro]

Thanks for the info. I have heard it was backed up a bit but here at training, they all seem so mum about it and say that they do not know any sort of time lines. Last class they sent one or two people right to IOE within 5 days of training but I am not sure which A/C they were on. Thanks again!

flyipilot,

The reason that you can't get a clear answer is beacuse of the transition away from aircraft training and into the STEP training. They are changing because of the down time (currency issues) pilots have experienced going back to airplane training. If you are new in the X, I would say you might be one of the first one's to go through the STEP training at FSI taught by a NJA instructor. Yes this means you probabaly won't get a 11 week break like most of us had. I still think you will get a few weeks off to recoup.

Good luck,

Buddro

 

[illinipilot]

the way I understand it though... you still need to be at your domicile during the time which you are waiting for IOE. Correct?

 

[be-400xpdriver]

the way I understand it though... you still need to be at your domicile during the time which you are waiting for IOE. Correct?

Yes you have to be at your domicile. If you are through with aircraft training and are ready for IOE then you will have a schedule, either 7/7 or reserve. You will get a brief everyday that you are scheduled to work. If you live close to the domicile then you will probaly ge a show from home if they dont have an ioe capt. If you dont live close to your domicile then you will get a hotel every night you are there and probaly show at hotel they entire week if you dont fly.

 

[netjetwife]

I'm interested to hear how the pilots like the new training programs. What they think of STEP? Lots of work was done by the UTC. They're about finished designing the programs and it will be up to the company to implement the committee's work. If you're satisfied with the product (the part NJ and the UTC worked on) pleased take the time to let the UTC know. Feedback is important to let those making improvements know they're on the right track, and it's motivational to the volunteers (and their families... ) who give up their free time to work on projects that benefit the entire group. It's positive reinforcement to be told that the hard work and sacrifice was worth it. NJW

 

[Diesel]

I used to say enjoy the vacation..... Guess what I still say enjoy the vacation. Yeah STEP is a program but thats not where the snafu lies. The aircraft training might delay it by a week or two but thats about it.

Enjoy the time off but come to IOE knowing your stuff. A vacation is nice but NJ is still sending you a paycheck. When you show up for IOE your first couple of hours will be reviewing the plane, walkaround stuff like that. The first couple of legs will just be in the right seat and getting the hang of things. After that it will be a live leg to see how we operate and then its IOE for the rest of the tour.

For pilots that don't live at their domicile you still need to be there. This could get quite expensive for you. So you might call them up to beg them to go out. If you live by the domicile enjoy the time off.

 

[Nixon]

Yes you have to be at your domicile. If you are through with aircraft training and are ready for IOE then you will have a schedule, either 7/7 or reserve. You will get a brief everyday that you are scheduled to work. If you live close to the domicile then you will probaly ge a show from home if they dont have an ioe capt. If you dont live close to your domicile then you will get a hotel every night you are there and probaly show at hotel they entire week if you dont fly.

How close is close enough? A several-hour drive? That is, do you get your brief the night before, giving you time to get in position at your domicile? And how close must home be to be given "show from home?"

Nixon

 

[skiandsurf]

How close is close enough? A several-hour drive? That is, do you get your brief the night before, giving you time to get in position at your domicile? And how close must home be to be given "show from home?"

Nixon

You should get a brief by 6pm the night before. If you dont get a brief, you are suppose to call them by 7pm.

Show from home....I live about 1:20 from LAX. They gave me a show at home the other day. I told the guy how far I was from the airport, and he didnt seem to worried. He said, "if they give you a trip, just tell them how long it will take to get to the airport." Did this on day 1 and day 2, no trips. On day 2 by 6pm, I had a trip for day 3. Basically 2 extra days at home, followed by a 5 day trip.

 

[be-400xpdriver]

How close is close enough? A several-hour drive? That is, do you get your brief the night before, giving you time to get in position at your domicile? And how close must home be to be given "show from home?"

Nixon

Lets say you dont live in your domicile. They will give you a show time day one. Say 6am at fbo. You show at 6 am. If they dont have an airline or flight for you by 7am call and request hotel. One hour later if still no plan call and ask to be released to hotel. If they release you enjoy the hotel. If they dont release you then you start ot and collect ot for the rest of the duty period.

When you get show at home or hotel the rule for being standby is one hour from the time they call untill you show at the airport. The contract says 30 to get to the lobby and then 30 min for the cab ride but basicly 1 hour. I would say if you live more than that you are taking a risk.

 

[Nixon]

So, somebody who lives a few hours from their domicile could spend a few months sitting in a hotel in their domicile waiting for IOE to start?

 

[windycty]

i had about 3 months off between flight training and ioe. i never received any sort of show at home type briefs. the only time i got a brief was when it was time for ioe to start. my flight training partner had the exact same experience. he lives a long way from his base as well and never spent a night in his domicile while waiting for ioe to start. maybe our experience was not typical.

 

[be-400xpdriver]

So, somebody who lives a few hours from their domicile could spend a few months sitting in a hotel in their domicile waiting for IOE to start?

Yes...

 

[be-400xpdriver]

i had about 3 months off between flight training and ioe. i never received any sort of show at home type briefs. the only time i got a brief was when it was time for ioe to start. my flight training partner had the exact same experience. he lives a long way from his base as well and never spent a night in his domicile while waiting for ioe to start. maybe our experience was not typical.

I had shows at home when I was waiting for IOE. When you finish flight training you go right to the 7/7 schedule or reserve. So you should be recieving some type of brief for your 7 days and should be calling in every night if you are on the reserve. If you do not recieve a brief by 6pm the night before a 7 day tour you have to call the fm and get one.