NetJets (or any frax) & 121 jumpseating

[aeronautic1]

Jumpseat USair

We are an all jet 135 operation and I just had a nice phone conversation with US JS coordinator and was told that we would not be included on the list at this time as we were an on demand, not scheduled 135 operator. We need to move pilots between Florida and Colorado from time to time. Anyone out there know who I could sned a letter to? PM would be fine.

 

[varicam]

Re: Jumpseat USair

We are an all jet 135 operation and I just had a nice phone conversation with US JS coordinator and was told that we would not be included on the list at this time as we were an on demand, not scheduled 135 operator. We need to move pilots between Florida and Colorado from time to time. Anyone out there know who I could sned a letter to? PM would be fine.

Jumpseats are not for "moving pilots". Quickest way I know for all the pilots of an operator to lose jumpseat privileges is to let the word get out that the parent company is using jumpseat privileges to move pilots on company business.

 

[aeronautic1]

Correct

I phrased it wrong. What I ment to say was that our a/c are based in Florida and Colorado. But some us reside elsewhere. In anycase, it's just not the same as pre 9/11. Thanks varicam

 

[bizjet737]

For everyones information NJA is very close to getting a 121 certificat which they will place the BBJ's on. They are currently operating 135 and are very busy.

yes, we are close to getting our 121 cert. could be anytime in the next 6 months - depends on several factors.

busy? not really. some weeks are, some are totally dead. it has become much busier since we got our 135 cert, however, the operation still is not breaking even.

next week we'll be down to four bbj's - boeing (who owns the first four) is taking one of those four back.

 

[dogg]

Dudes, it all comes down to this......you have nothing to offer in return..... that is why the little scheduled 207/ navajo operators have full blown "reciprocal" deals and you guys never will. Nothing personal, but you can't offer me a ride anywhere and it just gets old, escpecially when lots of people are using the jump seat for other than personal use...We are not all in this together, sorry.........

 

[marqmarq]

Reciprocity

Dogg,

I understand your point about reciprocity, and it is valid. But what do you mean by: "lots of people are using the jump seat for other than personal use"? Frax operators purchase tix for pilots on crew movements. In my experience, I've seen "the little scheduled 207/ navajo operators (etc)" use jumpseating to and from work, it this what you mean? This is not a condemnation, just an observation. The only time I jumpseated to get home (pre-9/11) was when the flight was full and the jumpseat was available. I would have gladly NOT cancelled my tix, but the gate agent insisted. Actually, I would have preferred it, since I didn't get my FF miles!

 

[OldManPilot]

I used to work for a fractional company. We were told that jumpseating on 121 Carriers was not recommended due to the fact that we had no way to reciprocate. That truly is the dividing line. If you cannot due a pilot a favor in reverse (scheduled, not guesswork) than I would suggest leaving the airlines j/s to fellow airline pilots. You are lucky enough to have companies to buy your tickets. Use those tickets, it gives you a positve space seat. If you wish to ride an airline jumpseat, get an airline job. I would not think of asking a fractional for a ride. Especially since you never know when they will be going where you need to go.

 

[flx757]

Dudes, it all comes down to this......you have nothing to offer in return..... that is why the little scheduled 207/ navajo operators have full blown "reciprocal" deals and you guys never will. Nothing personal, but you can't offer me a ride anywhere and it just gets old, escpecially when lots of people are using the jump seat for other than personal use...We are not all in this together, sorry.........

Sorry Dogg...but at my airline, at least one of the fractionals is on our reciprocal list. They have ridden our jumpseats many times, and we are happy to have them.

You seem to be the one that has the problem with this, and the one who is "not all in this together".

 

[NJA Capt]

....you have nothing to offer in return..... that is why the little scheduled 207/ navajo operators have full blown "reciprocal" deals and you guys never will.

Uh, Dude....Talk about nothing to offer. I doubt there are many "major" 121 pilots chomping at the bit to jumpseat on a Navajo or a 207. Get real.

....you have nothing to offer in return.

Tell that to the 8 Northwest flight attendants that one of our planes took back to DTW during a strike a few years ago.

Originally posted by dogg We are not all in this together, sorry.........

Gee, what a gem. Try that one on at your next job interview.