Netjets LA Based

[KevinOppelt]

I have heard the X works the hardest. could someone give me some insight to normal 7 Days of flying in each aircraft. Also, which planes besides the g-200 have auto throttles. thank you.

 

[DO-82 driver]

"Works the Hardest" is a relative term.

The X flies some long legs and it can go coast to coast to coast. It can also cover trips for everyhting else we have. The XL flies more legs per day then anyother a/c in the fleet, as shown by the most recent scheduling committee data charts, but those legs are typically shorter than that of the X.

The thing works way too hard for me but there are some really great folks in that program.

"Typical day"......there is no such thing here at NJA. Schedulers want to keep people on duty for a minimum of 11 to 12 hours and it seems that the number of 10 hour turns have increased dramatically. Its all about their numbers though they claim that they need to have flexibilty to cover flights. I'm sure the truth is somewhere in between.

Why do they give us 10 hr turns?...
To quote one of our schedulers...."because we can!!!" (isn't that professional?!?)

I can't comment on the auto throttle issues.

 

[TORCH67]

You can work 12-14 hours doing 3-5 legs in the shorter range jets or you can work 12-14 hours doing 2-4 longer legs. The ultra/XL/800 pilots are doing 25-40 hour months and the X crews are doing 50-70 hour months on average. Your mileage may vary and results are not typical depending on the time of year. Working hard/harder is all relative to where you come from. I have seen more stanby toward the end of the day to bring crews up to the 12 hour mark in the last month or so.

 

[RNObased]

I have heard the X works the hardest. could someone give me some insight to normal 7 Days of flying in each aircraft. Also, which planes besides the g-200 have auto throttles. thank you.

Whoever told you the G200s at NJA have auto-throttles was pulling your leg. The only auto-throttles on the thing are the crew. BBJ may have them...

I'm doing about 30hrs a tour

 

[Mephisto]

"Works the Hardest" is a relative term.

The X flies some long legs and it can go coast to coast to coast. It can also cover trips for everyhting else we have. The XL flies more legs per day then anyother a/c in the fleet, as shown by the most recent scheduling committee data charts, but those legs are typically shorter than that of the X.

The thing works way too hard for me but there are some really great folks in that program.

"Typical day"......there is no such thing here at NJA. Schedulers want to keep people on duty for a minimum of 11 to 12 hours and it seems that the number of 10 hour turns have increased dramatically. Its all about their numbers though they claim that they need to have flexibilty to cover flights. I'm sure the truth is somewhere in between.

Why do they give us 10 hr turns?...
To quote one of our schedulers...."because we can!!!" (isn't that professional?!?)

I can't comment on the auto throttle issues.

How about "because the contract allows it" or, "all these sell offs are costing us millions" as reasons for 10 hour turns? Better yet, how about "because we are paying you for it."

 

[Ultra Grump]

I've found that 12 hours is always the goal, no more, no less. Schedulers will go out of their way to have me "work" all the way up to the point where overtime starts. No OT for me except on day 1.

 

[jonjuan]

Squeeze me

I've found that 12 hours is always the goal, no more, no less. Schedulers will go out of their way to have me "work" all the way up to the point where overtime starts. No OT for me except on day 1.

Put yourself in their shoes. Their job is to squeeze. If they don't squeeze, NJA loses even more money. The more pilots feel squeezed, the less owners feel squeezed.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Put yourself in their shoes. Their job is to squeeze. If they don't squeeze, NJA loses even more money. The more pilots feel squeezed, the less owners feel squeezed.

You work upstairs then? You know this why? Only factual data please.

 

[DO-82 driver]

Meph.....

Don't try and sell it as if the schedulers only goal is to save money. I'm all for that. But there is also resentment working behind the scene. I'm not guessing I'm just relaying what various FM's have told me.

I don't mind the US vs THEM mentality.... I will always win that battle.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Put yourself in their shoes. Their job is to squeeze. If they don't squeeze, NJA loses even more money. The more pilots feel squeezed, the less owners feel squeezed.

First, we're not losing money. Second, the schedulers don't do anything to save the company money. Half of what they do costs the company much more than it has to. The only accountability they have is "pilot productivity," and the only way that's measured is how many hours a pilot is on duty per day. Not ratio of pax to ferry legs. Not hours flown per day. Those two things have direct effects on profitability. Nope, they only care about how many hours one is on duty.

 

[Mephisto]

First, we're not losing money. Second, the schedulers don't do anything to save the company money. Half of what they do costs the company much more than it has to. The only accountability they have is "pilot productivity," and the only way that's measured is how many hours a pilot is on duty per day. Not ratio of pax to ferry legs. Not hours flown per day. Those two things have direct effects on profitability. Nope, they only care about how many hours one is on duty.

wrong

 

[x402]

wrong

Bridegway Bob finds another beard to hide behind, FUD starting a little early?
Scheduling and travel are killing this company, magic markers on white boards in a computer world. xxxk paid out because scheduling can't figure out the basic rules set out in the new CBA. Pathetic!
Action not re-action.

 

[Pattern-Master]

You can track any aircraft movement on www.flightaware.com ,it's free. Just look up a netjets aircraft and you can see the flights from the prevoius six months of that actual aircraft.

 

[JettBoii]

This post makes no sense.

 

[Pugnacious G]

I have heard the X works the hardest. could someone give me some insight to normal 7 Days of flying in each aircraft. Also, which planes besides the g-200 have auto throttles. thank you.

You'll work plenty hard in just about every fleet. Business is good and the busy season is almost upon us. No auto throttles except the BBJ and 2000EX. The X probably does the most trans continental flying by far. Longer legs but fewer legs...

 

[psysicx]

Can anybody working a reserve schedule describe how many days on and off throughout the month? Do the senior guys on reserve schedule work less?

 

[jtf]

It's called the 18 day schedule since you are on the hook for 18 days. They don't necessarily get use you all 18 (I did work all 18 about half the time while I was on it). Seniority isn't gonna make any difference for how much you are used here, unless you are super A-team and can still find a way to bribe the schedulers to work only on your days off for extended pay every day you work (not very likely anymore). They can keep you out up to 7 in a row and if they keep you the full 7 they have to give you at least 4 days off afterwards. If they keep you anywhere from 1 to 6 days, they must give you at least 3 days in a row off after (I never did less than a 3 day trip). Out and backs are not done like at the airlines and you would have to be super lucky to do it more than once or twice a year, but they would definitely assign you duty for the following day instead of releasing you for your 3 days off following a work tour. I have had their schedules fall apart and gotten to show at home for work days, but that isn't too common either. You will have 2 sets of 2 hard days off in a row to use for each month and they can be put together for 4 in a row off, but if not put together you need at least 7 days in between the pairs. They used to put out prospective schedules on the crewops website, but they stopped doing it last summer. I switched to 7 and 7 now and I'm not sure if they are putting up the prospective schedules again or not. Too many people made plans around their prospective schedules (not including the hard days off) and then complained when their schedules changed. It is pretty clear in the contract that they can change your schedule, other than hard days and required days off following a tour, so the complaints were unwarrented and pissed them off enough to stop giving us the courtesy of a probable schedule (they were usually almost dead on for days on and off).