Need Job....

[Eagle-ista]

Did I miss something?

Wait a minute. This went far too fast for me...

People actually work on Tuesdays?

Next thing you know, people will start wearing nice clothes to travel.

I was a charter pilot for a long time before I went to my "airline". I would love to return to flying charter again. In fact, I will at the first opportunity. I'm tired of the "greyhound class" that flys commercially now. Add in the concessionary climate in the airlines and the effect its having on advancement, not to mention morale, dealing with TSA, parking at LAX, and management that is stuck in the 80s, it's time for a change.

Maybe I'll become a charter pilot again, next Tuesday...

 

[Turbinehead]

Awww

Awww isnt that cute? She's defending airline types.

I bet her hubby is one of those.

 

[Eagle-ista]

English,

That would be the "type" I'm referring to. You know, the type that makes it really hard for all of the others in the "type" to get a corporate job to begin with.

Any other mysteries I can solve for you ???...??? Some members of the "type" on the other hand work out great, it's just too bad that some have and continue to make it hard for the others. That's all I was getting at...

Is this a special "type" or can I get it at FlightSafety for $17,000?

There are 10%'ers everywhere...

 

[h25b]

Is this a special "type" or can I get it at FlightSafety for $17,000?

There are 10%'ers everywhere...

You're right my friend, but it's a little bit of a different situation these days in aviation. The corporate world is already sore from the airline guys burning them during the last industry downturn. So their reputation (however unfairly) is hurt by this. I would just hope that those who do get the opportunity to switch over to corporate this time do it the right way. That wound doesn't need salt in it again. I have actually helped two people in to Fortune 500 jobs from the airlines and they are working out wonderfully, but I am starting to see/hear of quite a few screwing the pooch again.

These guys just make it really hard for me to make the case for them. Remember the old saying, "screw me once, shame on you... screw me twice, shame on me.."

 

[English]

English,

if you need it explained to you there's no way you'd ever understand it now...

You're right, I don't understand. While I've heard the term and I know what you mean by it, I don't condone it.

I put up with that kind of labelling crap at my last job. It was always the locals versus the mainlanders, or haoles. If you were a haole, you just weren't going to fit in. I just don't understand the need people have to put labels on others that separate and cause riffs. Why people see skin color, nationality, religion, or even "types" as a reason to discriminate and hate. You're right, I don't understand.

I do agree that there seems to be a proliferance of former airline pilots who have adjustment problems in learning the ropes, flying corporate and charter. But, I've also seen former corporate/charter pilots have issues when going to airlines. My take on it is that there is going to be a period of learning the ropes when one goes to a new job, especially if they don't have any experience in that particular arena. It doesn't matter what "type" of pilot they are. A pilot is a pilot, period.

 

[h25b]

You're right, I don't understand. While I've heard the term and I know what you mean by it, I don't condone it.

I put up with that kind of labelling crap at my last job. It was always the locals versus the mainlanders, or haoles. If you were a haole, you just weren't going to fit in. I just don't understand the need people have to put labels on others that separate and cause riffs. Why people see skin color, nationality, religion, or even "types" as a reason to discriminate and hate. You're right, I don't understand.

I do agree that there seems to be a proliferance of former airline pilots who have adjustment problems in learning the ropes, flying corporate and charter. But, I've also seen former corporate/chater pilots have issues when going to airlines. My take on it is that there is going to be a period of learning the ropes when one goes to a new job, especially if they don't have any experience in that particular arena.

I don't think we are too far apart on this one. Like I said I have good friends that have made this transition very well. But I know one flight department that sh&t-cans resumes from the airline guys because they had hired 2 of them in the 80's that were furloughed. Both of them promptly left when recalled in less than 2 years. I always wanted to fly corporate, but first went to the regionals to build experience. It was very hard for me to convince people of my intentions thanks to these "types." I just hope people who do go to the corporate side do it because that's what they want to do rather than just have a job...

I didn't say I agree with it. But I do think it would be wise to understand it. That's the only chance you have of helping to stop it. It's kind of hard to fix a problem you don't understand.

 

[Eagle-ista]

You're right my friend, but it's a little bit of a different situation these days in aviation. The corporate world is already sore from the airline guys burning them during the last industry downturn. So their reputation (however unfairly) is hurt by this.

I missed this. What exactly did "airline" pilots do that brought down the "corporate" pilots? Also, is the "last industry down turn" over yet?

I'm not flaming you, I just don't know what you're talking about.

 

[h25b]

re-read my post.


Or do some research. You don't think this divide between Corporate/Airline happened overnight. ?...

There's quite a few corporate operations that require airline guys to resign their number over the experiences of the 80's..

 

[English]

I don't think we are too far apart on this one. Like I said I have good friends that have made this transition very well. But I know one flight department that sh&t-cans resumes from the airline guys because they had hired 2 of them in the 80's that were furloughed. Both of them promptly left when recalled in less than 2 years. I always wanted to fly corporate, but first went to the regionals to build experience. It was very hard for me to convince people of my intentions thanks to these "types." I just hope people who do go to the corporate side do it because that's what they want to do rather than just have a job...

I see what you mean. Our experiences are quite similar. I've gone back and forth between flying for airlines and flying charter/corporate. I don't consider myself an "airline type" or a "charter type" - I'm just a pilot with varied interests trying to find a happy place!

The "types" comment just rubs me the wrong way. But I understand your points and your frustrations with the situation.

 

[rice]

hey buddy, I worked TWO Tuesdays in a row this month.....TWO....
and Im not very happy about it. .

Yeah and I'm sure you've been "properly compensated" for it .

Sitting in ASE right now and just realized that I haven't been home for a single holiday since Thanksgiving (and I'm including superbowl, VDay, Presidents, and ST. Patrick's days). But I can lay claim to only working one Tuesday this calendar year so it can't be all bad .