Need help persuading my boss!

[350DRIVER]

We operate a C90B, E90, as well as the older A90 and all three are by far the easiest of any turbine multi-engine aircraft out there. Our newer C90B being my favorite- The PT6A-21's are great engines and extremely reliable. The only concern that you may have is the insurance requirements since I know our insurance company is somewhat strict and they want to see quite a few hours of "turbine" time in the logbook as well as initial/recurrent training before they will insure us as PIC. "hard" though should be left out of the equation when your company decides on the next aircraft you purchase since the 90 is by far the easiest of the King Air fleet to operate. Blue line is 108, Vmca is 80, stall 78 (KIAS) calculated at MTOW of 10,100 lbs if that tells you something. Raytheon manufactures a very nice, reliable, safe, and very easy plane to operate so if you decide to purchase one I would bet you would enjoy it to the utmost...

Any other questions feel free to ask

350

 

[publisher]

Righto

Caveman made the point,,,,, what are the insurance limits for one of you.

You are probably fine as F/o but one of you needs turbine time, probably in the 500 hour area, at least 250 along with TT etc.

Airplane is like big Aztec. Reliable, tough, solid. More like truck than your Cessna although I have not flown later models.

Only thing I disliked was they are sort of short and crosswinds were a pain at where we were based as that was all we had. The 100 we had was easier.

 

[dlwdracos]

My CFI got a corporate gig in a B90 with about 50 hours ME and maybe 5000 flight instruction given. He was in his 50's and had been instructing for a long time.

He went to Flight Safety, and they insured him to fly the plane. That simple.

 

[wildbill]

You are going to find, just as everyone has told you, it is a dream to fly. Very straight forward operation. Really fun.
Like wise when it comes to insurance that is another story. Of course you must do the FlightSafety thing or even SimuFlight which is a little cheaper. With your time your insurance company will probably require an experiened pilot to fly with you for at least a Min. of 25 hours or up to maybe a hundred hours. No big deal. Well worth the safety aspect of it. Once you get the plane on line your boss will kick himself for not making the transition sooner. The maintenance costs are going to be different. Remember two things 1. Beechcraft means premium. 2. There is not much to do until it breaks and when it does it is not cheap. The dependability is far and away worth the bucks. Go for it
Good Luck to you and let us know how you like it
Best Wishes..

 

[cvsfly]

Insurance comments continued

Thought I might hijack this conversation and ask more about current insurance requirements. What are operators finding out about their insurance requirements after 9/11, especially those who have renewed since Jan? We have been operating a late model BE-B200 Pt 135 & 91. Myself, currently about 700 hrs in the BE-B200, 900 turbine, 1900 Twin, 4650 TT, ATP/CFI (no accidents/incidents). We have always tried to operate 2 pilots (we have a co-pilot with a little more than half the above times), but would like the flexibility to operate single-pilot when needed. Our insurance renewed in FEB. It went up about 105% with stipulations that we operate 2 pilots on 91 & 135 and the "walk-on" requirements just for co-pilots is 1000 TT/500 twin. We reduced our preminum by reducing our liability and hull but is still about $12,000 more than we were paying. Policy is through USAIG. Boss wants to "shop around", but what I realize is that there are only a handful of underwriters around and unless you are up for renewal they can't quote you. Is this true and is this what others are seeing? Is there a consumer complaint board? The insurance companies are running scared and seem to be taking advantage of 9/11.

 

[Counselair]

Don't think twice about it. My first commuter job was at BEX flying a 1900C model. Prior to that, the biggest equipment I have flown was Navajo/Chieftons. Its a great plane and probably one of the funnest I've been in. Its a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**cat. Good luck with the insurance. Don't ever be worried about a plane or training, just be prepared.

Have Fun!

Counselair

 

[wildbill]

CVSFLY:
I believe there are four major players in the insurance game for aircraft. When your broker checks rates he effectively closes the door for others to quote a rate from those companies. This is where you have to be able to trust your broker because he knows that he can now charge what he thinks he can squeeze from you. I have just been through the process with the purchase of our new Excel. The agent we had "previously" had added a little nest egg of an additional 10 grand to the premium.
They thought I would not find out, but did. He no longer writes our policy. There is a form you can obtain to fill out with a reputable insurance broker which will allow him to open those closed doors. The killer right now is not necessarily the hull or liability insurance, but the "war" insurance that lenders are now requiring you to keep that can add 15 to 20 percent to your coverage right off the bat. Just another way for the insurance companies to hedge their bets.
If I can help you send me a PM. I will try to help if I can.