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My 10 Hour ATP Multi Add-on Experience

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rltoma

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Ok, I know that people have posted in the past about thier multi add-on experience at ATP, but I wanted to add my 2 cents to the forum since some of you have taken the time to answer questions from my past posts. Also, I would like to thank all those who did respond to my posts for thier opinions.

Day 1) I arrived at ATP (Riverside) at 8:00 AM and met my instructor Tom. The first thing we did was to take care of all the neccessary paper work. Next, we went over the information in the Seminole supplement, I had read the material several times, so aside from a few details, I had a fairly good grip on what I need to know as far as the oral portion was concerned. Next, we flew to the local practice area and went over a few manuvers and I got my first taste of flying with two engines. After we returned, Tom gave me a post flight briefing and showed me what I needed to get down in order to be successful in my training.
Day 2) We started at 8:00AM, I flew better than the day before, but because of a missunderstanding on my part (Duh), I did not have the procedures memorized and this put the pressure on, I won't go into details, lets just say I was already beginning to have my doubts.
Day 3) We spent first part of day working on manuevers as I needed the extra practice. I had finaly memorized the manuvers and could recite them on the ground for the most part, when in the aircraft however, It was a little different,but I could tell that I would be ok for the check ride the next day. Tom pointed out that I just need to slow myself down and this made all the difference. The second flight of the day was to test my instrument skills. At this point I have to say that although I was current, I was not proficent and it showed. At this point I got very frustrated with myself and after we landed I was seriously considering forgoing the checkride. Tom and I discussed my options and after the pep talk, Tom agreed to meet me at 6:30 AM for my last flight in an attempt to get me up to speed (thanks Tom).
Day 4) We meet at 6:30 am and do one last flight shooting aproaches. This helped alot and I was able to feel good about doing the checkride at 8:30. After we landed we head back to finish my paperwork, Tom signs me off and its over to the checkride I go. After the oral portion (which was no problem at all) we fly, engine failure on takeoff roll, no problem. Short feild take off and landing, no problem. Engine failure after takeoff,single engine landing, no problem. The Seminole is very easy to land, most of my hours are in Cessnas but I was able to grease the seminole on with ease almost right from the start! We went to the practice area next and the onlt manuever I was not really happy with was my steep turns, they were in pts standards, but I'm a perfectionist and well lets just say, they weren't perfect. everything else went fine. Of course I made a few mistakes, but for only having 8.3 hours in the aircraft, what do you expect. It was now time to do the approach. We shot the ILS 26R into Chino and with the grace of God, along with serious concentration, I was able to nail the approach all the way down to a beautifull touch and go landing. After the takeoff, my examiner took over and brought us back to RAL. I landed, taxied back, parked and it was all over. I'm now Comm/SEL/MEL/Instrument rated, thanks to ATP's program.
I want to thank everyone at ATP for getting me through this program. Tom and the rest of the guys at Riverside are doing a great job and I really appreciate thier help. If you are thinking of going to ATP, do it, you won't be sorry. Just make sure you read the supplement and memorize the procedures as this will be the only way to get through it. Bottom line, ATP delivers what they advertise as long as you do your homework.
 
I don't understand. How can you be ME/Comm rated when you have only 8.3 total mulitengine hours? I know that when I got my ME part 141, it was a minimum of 15. Part 61 was a bit less, but still required specific XC time.

I don't mean to pick, I just don't understand how they structured it.
 
labbats said:
I don't understand. How can you be ME/Comm rated when you have only 8.3 total mulitengine hours?

FAR 61.63(c)(4):

Additional class rating. Any person who applies for an additional class rating to be
added on a pilot certificate...
(4) Need not meet the specified training time requirements prescribed by this part that apply to the pilot certificate for the aircraft class rating sought...


So if you get your single commercial and then add the multi-engine class rating, you don't have to meet all those requirements again in the multi-engine airplane.
 
I had a Comm/SEL/Instrument before I went to ATP. The program they offer is a total of 10hrs, I finished with 9.6- 8.3 in training, 1.3 for the checkride.
 
Man did I get screwed if that's the case. I had single-commercial done wayyy before I started my multi.
 
labbats said:
Man did I get screwed if that's the case. I had single-commercial done wayyy before I started my multi.

Read your regs and do your homework and next time that won't happen. Remember, these schools are in the business to make money, and a lot of times their syllabus requires more than the regs do - for just that reason!
 
10 hour multi rating

Ten hours for a multi rating, even in Part 141, is not that unusual. FSI students get ten hours in Seminoles before going for their Private multis. To me, it didn't seem like much time, especially coming from ERAU, where typical Private Multi students needed fifteen hours. But we did it.

The multi rating basically boils down to procedures. You can do it in ten hours if you understand the procedures thoroughly and spend hours of dry time practicing them.

There are places where you can get a multi rating in even less time. Sheble Aviation trainees get five (or less) hours in the airplane. You really have to prepared before attending that kind of course!
 

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