mx and flight schools

[paid4training]

I am a cfi at a school in texas. Any suggestions on handeling really bad mx. For example, sitting in the back of the multi, it was an instructor and a student with me in the back. The last landing was a single engine(rt one) at 800agl. Circled around and landed uneventful. When we taxied off clear of active while doing after landing check list the right engine started to run rough then feathered and stopped, the engine we had just flown on. we got it back to parking area and ZERO oil on the dipstick. After calling the owner the engine had 8 quarts the next morning. It was my understanding it was required to be broken down and inspected. I am very nervous about thes airplanes now.... oh and the multi was double the tbo, I found this out after

 

[Waldom]

With the employment offers currently made to C.F.I.s from reputable flight schools, the best course of action may be to submit your resignation when you walk into work tomorrow morning.

 

[avbug]

When we taxied off clear of active while doing after landing check list the right engine started to run rough then feathered and stopped, the engine we had just flown on. we got it back to parking area and ZERO oil on the dipstick.

How many quarts were on the dipstick before you departed?

It was my understanding it was required to be broken down and inspected.

This is your understanding based on what, exactly?

.... oh and the multi was double the tbo, I found this out after

You didn't check the inspection and component times before you went flying??

How do you know the engine is over TBO? Do you understand what TBO means? Do you know if it's been overhauled or rebuilt (and the difference between the two) in the interim? Is TBO a mandatory number or significant number for operations under Part 91?

When you say it is double TBO...is that since new, or since the last overhaul recorded in the mx logs?

You attach your butt to the same piece of metal as the PIC, and you're an instructor...did you check or verify the oil level before the airplane went flying?

 

[paid4training]

How many quarts were on the dipstick before you departed?



This is your understanding based on what, exactly?



You didn't check the inspection and component times before you went flying??

How do you know the engine is over TBO? Do you understand what TBO means? Do you know if it's been overhauled or rebuilt (and the difference between the two) in the interim? Is TBO a mandatory number or significant number for operations under Part 91?

When you say it is double TBO...is that since new, or since the last overhaul recorded in the mx logs?

You attach your butt to the same piece of metal as the PIC, and you're an instructor...did you check or verify the oil level before the airplane went flying?

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First of all I was not pic, the other instructor was at the controls and I was in the back observing. Second, to your questions....
Eight quarts BEFORE the flight, TBO is not required for a flight school but the manuafactor recommends. It is double last overhaul. I was observing because I am not checked out in the airplane and was going to begin the process. So If I am not even checked out in the airplane, I was legally an observer. I verfied this with aopa legal today.

Just like the flight school, question the messenger!!!!and not the message...

 

[Princedietrich]

Don't worry about avbug, giving us youngins a stern talking to is his way of telling us he loves us.

My advice? Drop your resignation letter on the desk and run out of that place as fast as you can. Then maybe swing by the FSDO and put a big in the ear of a GA maintenance inspector. That might get some things changed before someone gets killed.

 

[CalifDan]

Eights quarts in one flight? Either there would be a big puddle under the thing, lots of oil on the bottom of the wing, or it should be smoking. I doubt this oil consumption showed up in one flight and if it did, it will be in for overhaul pretty quick.

Avbug is right though, regardless of what position you are sitting in, get used to checking things yourself. Never too early to develop good habits.

CalifDan

 

[A-V-8]

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Eight quarts BEFORE the flight, TBO is not required for a flight school but the manuafactor recommends. It is double last overhaul.

Unless you are ready to present the above statement to a student in a lesson plan resign.

If the student makes a smoking hole it will be your ass getting sued for everything you have. You may not have much now but you can be sued years from now when you will still have just as much as you do now if you remain a pilot. A lawyer only needs to show that a string of events started or continued as a result of your negligence. Teaching a student that it is O.K. to ignore manufacture recommendations will be a slam dunk. Trust me on this one bud; I taught a lawyer! 5 years from now if he or she has an engine failure and some part of that engine is over the TBO it will not matter if it is legal or not. O yea I refused to fly with a particular student (He was an accident looking for a place to happen) or give him any endorsements. Made a smoking hole. Flight school and several instructors were sued. My name was not in his charred up book. Never heard from them.

Lots of good schools hiring and virtually all regional’s. Abandon ship.

 

[The_Russian]

Don't worry about avbug, giving us youngins a stern talking to is his way of telling us he loves us.

Well, I guess he proposed to me!

 

[Princedietrich]

Well, I guess he proposed to me!

Well that's cuz you're just so darn lovable Russkie. Now where's the vodka?

 

[paid4training]

For the record I was being "legal" when responding about tbo. As far as fly in the thing not going to happen. And YES it did have 8 quarts and blew out all over the bottom of the wing, landing gear etc. There where 4 witness to the fact. This entire deal is all new to and I have never been part of a school where money comes before safety. the routine for this aircraft is Gallon oil in morning and half gallon mid day. needless to say it was the first and last time I come within 50 feet of this airplane. At about 1200 pm today, 3 faa guy's showed up wanting mx records...I am just glad my name is not on the aircraft sign off sheet. I'm in the clear and looking for another job real quick.