Music to Fly by

[PacoPollo]

I know of a few good Rancheras and Tejano music.

 

[CalifDan]

...well make sure you don't ELABORATE so you can't enlighten me.

Kmox,

The initial thread was about music in the cockpit and identified specific music that the poster was using. He included a question regarding other suitable music. It seems to me that the question of music in the cockpit as well as suitable music is open for discussion based upon the original post.

The initial thread was about what music is good to listen to while flying, not what Grandpa thinks of it.

Your comment was disrespectful.

While it is apparent that music in the cockpit is easier to do these days, and the avionics even accomodate interruption of same for communications, you should try to understand why some of us might be thoughtful and concerned about how it is utilized. You can bet your career that if there were a mid-air because of a missed communication and the NTSB determined that music was being played by the crew during said portion of the flight it would be listed as at least a factor in the cause of the accident.

I'm one of those people that think the entire focus should be on the flight. Do I think that a flight can be done with some background music, sure. Do I think thats what is really happening when "Top Gun" is the title, no. Most of the Top Gun music would have me thinking steeper turns and a little more load...maybe I would not be looking as well first. Just look at some of the recent "student" videos that have been posted around here lately. Even though the music was dubbed in afterwards, they were thinking about the end product while the were filming the flying. Even the thought of having an end product video set to Top Gun had them doing some pretty silly things in the airplane.

Quiet music in the background enroute, sure. Final Countdown during the take-off roll while getting a hand-off to departure, distracting at best. I know, that's what I used to test my music input after it was installed. Have not used it since except for the passengers.

Oh, and by the way, I'm a grandpa, several times over, flying for 37 years and accident free. Probably managed to do that because I was lucky when I was young and stupid and have tried to rely less on luck as I've gotten older. While it's unlikely that I will ever listen to a good rap song (well maybe a few), I do still like my rock and roll louder than I should. I just avoid it in the middle of an IFR flight plan. We were not raised on video games and with a walkman in our ears, but we just might have some advice that will save your butt someday.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

My take on it is......

After one gets music set up what is next... DVD's? Then what? Xbox? Then what? Online Education? Then what?

The original poster talked about getting students excited about flying...but even he knows it is an issue based on his last comment...

Why isn't flying good enough for flying? When the basics aren't enough and we need our pop culture fixes constantly, there is a problem....

I guess I am old school when going out to the GA airport to fly was amazing enough....

 

[Tonala2k]

Fine Rez, just put me back in my place. And I was having fun too

 

[Illini Flyboy]

I always listened to "A little less conversation" by Elvis during landings competitions, seemed to get me laid back but focused at the same time.

I've missed far more radio calls while trying to teach a student than I have while listening to music, guess the NTSB wouldn't like that either...

As far as Top Gun, my first instructor told me to go home and watch Top Gun before every check ride. The point was not to get me all pumped up to shoot down a MiG or get the girl at the end, but to remind me that, "Hey, flying is fun stuff, and if these idiots can do, I sure can."

 

[kmox29]

Kmox,

The initial thread was about music in the cockpit and identified specific music that the poster was using. He included a question regarding other suitable music. It seems to me that the question of music in the cockpit as well as suitable music is open for discussion based upon the original post.

I guess I respectfuly disagree. I re-read the initial post and it asks which music would be good to have in the cockpit. I would think posts would be limited to that question and not hijack the thread into a music vs. no music debate. That was not the original question nor the intent of the thread (in my opinion).

Your comment was disrespectful.

I apologize for the "grandpa" comment.

While it is apparent that music in the cockpit is easier to do these days, and the avionics even accomodate interruption of same for communications, you should try to understand why some of us might be thoughtful and concerned about how it is utilized.

I completely understand your viewpoint, I just thought Rez's comment was better suited for another thread.

 

[kmox29]

My take on it is......

After one gets music set up what is next... DVD's? Then what? Xbox? Then what? Online Education? Then what?

The original poster talked about getting students excited about flying...but even he knows it is an issue based on his last comment...

Why isn't flying good enough for flying? When the basics aren't enough and we need our pop culture fixes constantly, there is a problem....

I guess I am old school when going out to the GA airport to fly was amazing enough....

Rez,

I don't have any problem with you viewpoint. As stated in another post, I felt the thread was being hijacked into something the originator might not have intended. I was just dismayed that you wasted 2 posts on telling me how I "just don't get it" instead of actually offering up what it was that I wasn't "getting".

 

[Tonala2k]

Coo'. Peeps got my back!

Is anyone familiar with the concept of "anchors." Like finding a comfort place or a happy place. for the first twenty years of my life a hid behind social anxieties. Now if you ask around, people think I"m the most out going, energetic, charismatic person they know. On occasion I've been asked to give a sermon at church and people come up to me telling me to drop the pilot gig and become a motivational speaker. Several years back a crowd of five would make me want to vomit. I've learned how to find that happy place and to be able to recall it at any time using anchors. Some times a song, a person, a moment, a color...

I try to find anchors for my students the same way. For many of my students Top Gun would send them running to the hills. I've got one I'm thinking of using Cannon in D. One student told me that when it gets tough he thinks of his Ex-wife who never let him take lessons.

There has been some great feed back in this post, both in way of music selection and music cautionaries. Both well received by many, and I hope the readers will take it all into consideration before attempting that Cat III approach with Metalica blaring in their ears.

 

[nosehair]

I have seen where there was a recent study on automobile accidents with people using cell phones. The study determined that it made no difference whether it was a hand-held or headset, the coversation was the distracting factor.

Listening to music can = I say again, *can* = cause a distraction. Music can also sooth the savage beast.

In my humble opinion, music should not be a part of initial primary training, or any training or flying, that really requires hard focus. It can produce a calming effect for relaxed flying, or repetitive maneuvers where you are polishing. And that is a very generalized opinion. Each person is unique.

However, I know that I am and have been guilty of thinking that I have super human powers because of my flying ability, and I have learned to listen to statistics like the cell phone study to alert me to my own danger to myself and others.