Multi Building and Safety Pilot Time...

[-Xavier-]

Anyone know airlines that won't hire you if you have safety pilot on a multi-engine airplane?

I was looking to buy some multi-engine time but after hearing some things about how some airlines don't count multi-engine time if it was also logged as safety pilot time.

Anyone know any info. on this, or a place to buy multi-time and log the PIC?

 

[minitour]

Anyone know any info. on this, or a place to buy multi-time and log the PIC?

Drop me a PM - I've got a bunch of people to get back to on here.

Sorry for the delay everyone, it's been hellishly busy. This week!

-mini

 

[-Xavier-]

PM sent

 

[Andrew_VT]

PM me too! I'm considering buying some multi time and have the same concerns.

 

[Swass]

Pririe Air Service just outside Wichita

 

[avbug]

Whomever told you this about safety pilot time and flying airplanes is full of bunk.

For one thing, unless you make it a point to tell an interviewer that you were acting as safety pilot, who on earth will ever know, and who on earth will ever care? When you log PIC, you log PIC. Period. You can note whatever you want in the comments, but I'd certainly stay away from statements like "didn't gain any actual piloting experience, but sat like a bump on a log and watched another person fly." That'sprobably the wrong way to log it. If instead you simply show flight between two destinations, you have very little explaining to do.

This assumes, of course, that the bulk of your flight experience isn't based soley on watching someone else fly.

Logging PIC while acting as safety pilot, assuming you are the PIC, is legal...nothing wrong with it. Some people don't like it. Don't tell them about it. If someone asks you specifically about that time, you aren't out of line to allow that you rented an airplane to fly from A to B to gain some experience. End of story.

A few hours logged in this manner aren't going to make a hill of beans difference, and nobody is going to cast you out of an interview in disgrace. You'll find people who get their nose wrinkled and their knickers in a knot over it...but you don't need to explain yourself to them or even discuss it...unless you sink ourself by logging something stupid (see above).

You may just find that the time you spend concentrating on flying approaches and monitoring those approaches as safety pilot will be intensive, useful experience if you decide to use it that way...you may benifit a great deal, and it's the benifit that you get from it that really counts.

 

[-Xavier-]

Thanks for the post av, and while I agree I am not so sure if airline interviewers will. Granted 50 of the 100 will be safety pilot time, which I wouldn't think is a lot to write home about anyway, it is that "precious" multi-time that we all seek - and is usually a key factor in landing the interview.

At an interview, don't they take your logbooks and look through them anyway? So they would know the safety pilot time that you logged if you did log it.

Yes, you are logging the PIC as a safety pilot, but are you really required to log it as 'safety pilot time'? This is mainly dealing with buying the multi-engine times. However, If I do buy the 100-hour block, and saying 50 of it will be safety pilot time, is it really that big of a deal? I dont have any other safety pilot time that would be a factor (IPC currency every so often). Would they see 50 hours of safety pilot as a big deal - maybe since it is the "precious" multi-time?

I also contacted my friends dad that is a CA at AE and he said he wasn't too sure either on AE's take. The response he gave, and I agree, would practically depend on how much the company is hiring. I'm going to try and get the number to the AE recruiting office as well.

 

[Jim]

Yes, you are logging the PIC as a safety pilot, but are you really required to log it as 'safety pilot time'? This is mainly dealing with buying the multi-engine times.

I've never seen the category of "safety pilot" in any log book. I've seen SIC, PIC, Dual, Total, etc. but never saw a column with the title Safety Pilot. I've also never heard of the FAA calling Safety Pilot a condition of flight such as night, actual instrument, etc.

What Avbug is saying is that there is no requirement to write the term "safety pilot" or have a column titled "safety pilot" any where in your log book. You don't even have to write it in the remarks. It is a term, nothing more.

Just log the time as total and PIC.

Besides, airlines could care less.

 

[-Xavier-]

I've never seen the category of "safety pilot" in any log book. I've seen SIC, PIC, Dual, Total, etc. but never saw a column with the title Safety Pilot. I've also never heard of the FAA calling Safety Pilot a condition of flight such as night, actual instrument, etc.

What Avbug is saying is that there is no requirement to write the term "safety pilot" or have a column titled "safety pilot" any where in your log book. You don't even have to write it in the remarks. It is a term, nothing more.

Just log the time as total and PIC.

Besides, airlines could care less.

Well I know for a fact, based on a few interviewed people I know, that Skywest doesn't include SP time towards their total PIC time. I've also heard Am. Eagle does the same thing.

It will still be obvious what's going on because I must log the name of my safety pilot while under the hood. So if my logbook shows a whole bunch of PIC cross country trips, with the "Remarks" field alternating between "Safety pilot--John Doe" and "blank"...hmmm....is it not going to be obvious I was doing a timebuilding program?

 

[time builder]

I've never been a safety pilot, although, I have had a few in the right seat. You mean to tell me that an airline is going to look at my logbook the same as yours? That they'll assume that I returned the favor?

Do you log the take off and landing? If so, how do you rationalize that where your co-pilot is not under the hood? If you don't (and I don't believe you should), it'll be obvious what you're doing.