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Southwest plans to put more 'I' in BWI

Airline will add international service by 2009
By Stephanie Newton
Sun reporter
Originally published June 19, 2007

Southwest Airlines Co. expects to offer connections to Europe through Baltimore-Washington International Thurgood Marshall Airport by 2010, its chief executive said yesterday - a move that could lure more international service to an airport that has struggled to attract and hold it.

Gary Kelly, speaking at a meeting yesterday of the BWI Business Partnership, said the now all-domestic carrier will expand on a current partnership with ATA Airlines to offer service to Canada, Mexico and the Caribbean by 2009. "We promise to do that," he said. Similar marketing arrangements, called codesharing, that would allow Southwest to sell tickets to Europe could come shortly after that, once the airline upgrades its computer systems to allow multiple partnerships, he said.
As Southwest's fourth-largest gateway - behind Las Vegas, Chicago-Midway and Phoenix - and its principal East Coast center, BWI would be a good launching point for international service, Kelly said. Baltimore is "one of the best airports in our system," he said. "We're ready to grow."
Kelly's statements show the extent to which Southwest sees its record of consistently outperforming the industry through low fares, frequent flights, no frills and efficiency being challenged by high jet-fuel prices and intensifying competition.
BWI currently offers flights to London, Toronto, Iceland, Bermuda, Cancun, Ghana, Greenland and parts of the Caribbean, but it has also seen a number of international carriers come and go, including Aeromexico and Ireland's Aer Lingus. The airport built a $140 million terminal for international flights in 1997.
Unlike nearby Dulles International and Philadelphia International airports, which can draw passengers to international flights from the domestic hub operations of United Airlines and US Airways, BWI has had to rely on local passengers to feed its foreign flights. But that would change if Southwest, BWI's largest carrier with 178 daily departures, agrees to connect its huge domestic traffic base through BWI to international carriers.
"We're poised to move forward," said Tim Campbell, executive director of the Maryland Aviation Administration, in response to Kelly's comments. "We're ready right now in terms of our facilities."
Southwest launched service at Dulles and Philadelphia in 2006 and 2004, respectively, but Kelly said he's not concerned about expansion at BWI taking traffic away from those two airports.
"This airport is well-prepared for more growth," Kelly said. "Philadelphia is strained. ... I don't really see it as a cannibalization issue here at all."
Southwest's business model stands out in the industry for emphasizing flights to secondary or "alternative" airports - not concentrated gateways such as John F. Kennedy International Airport or LaGuardia International Airport. "I don't know - can we say that about BWI anymore?" Kelly said with a light laugh. "But we love BWI."
Southwest has for months been studying whether to abandon or modify its open-seating policy, which it has insisted is necessary to get planes in and out of airport gates rapidly. "For 30 years, the primary feedback we got from our customers is that they preferred assigned seating, but we wanted to do a lot of careful research first. What we're looking at is still comparing our options.
"You'll see some changes soon," he said, without elaborating.
Kelly also said yesterday that Southwest is looking into offering onboard wireless Internet connectivity and having customers pay for it. Southwest cannot "nickel-and-dime our customers," he said, but finding ways to bring in new revenue besides raising fares is critical to an airline that prides itself on 34 years of consecutive profitability.
Southwest has saved about $3 billion since 2000 by locking in fuel prices in advance, allowing it to avoid much of the damage its competitors were dealt by soaring prices. But the advantages from that hedging strategy are not as great as they once were and, according to Kelly, Southwest is entering a period of transformation.
"We need to deal more intensely with a wider variety of choice," he said. "We need to compete more on service and less on fares."
 
Gary Kelly, speaking at a meeting yesterday of the BWI Business Partnership, said the now all-domestic carrier will expand on a current partnership with ATA Airlines to offer service to Canada, Mexico and the Caribbean by 2009. "We promise to do that," he said.

While everyone speculates that SWA is buying AirTran, Alaska, enter airline name here.... SWA continues to expand on the codeshare with ATA. This forum never gives ATA any respect as to our potential international growth for SWA. That's OK, ATA has continued for over 37 years quietly under the radar screen doing what we do and no one has even heard of us. I guarantee that even after this announcement the focus will be on the next quote:

Similar marketing arrangements, called codesharing, that would allow Southwest to sell tickets to Europe could come shortly after that, once the airline upgrades its computer systems to allow multiple partnerships, he said.

Wondering who that will be...;)
 
I wouldn't take it personally...I think most people see ATA moving rapidly away from passenger service and towards more contract flying
 
One thing I can say is that ATA doesn't mover rapidly anywhere.
 
I know SWA/FO doesn't want to go to Europe. He loves the golden triangle of LBB, AMA, and MAF. I am sure he is relieved.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
I know SWA/FO doesn't want to go to Europe. He loves the golden triangle of LBB, AMA, and MAF. I am sure he is relieved.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Once again Genital Lee is on a SWA thread adding nothing of value and rehashing his standard SWA put down. Get a life.
 
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Once again Genital Lee is on a SWA thread adding nothing of value and rehashing his standard SWA put down. Get a life.

It amazes a lot of you beyond belief that someone actually doesn't want to fly for Southwest. It drives you crazy. There are plenty of other airlines out there that have different flying available. Now, your pay rates are great, and your stews are a lot of fun. There is no disagreeing with that. I just don't want to fly multiple legs per day with 25 minute turns, and many share my views. I am sure that LBB, MAF, and AMA are........are........grrreat. Take care.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
...not everybody has a hard-on to fly international, either...


Thank gawd we have options to do both domestic and INTL. In fact, you can get senior on one type of equipment and do turns and be home each night. You can fly the DL Shuttle and do all of your layovers at home too (DCA or BOS). You can then see if you like INTL and try it for a year, on different types of equipment. You can also try Hawaii flying, or down to the Carribbean, or get a second family in Rio De Janero on accident after a lot of beer, or a myriad of other examples. Any questions?


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
I think you're wrong. You are confusing this SWA thread with your love of the golden shower.

I am the one giving it though. Sounds like you would like to receive one.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
General Lee said:
Any questions?

Yeah, just one actually.

Did it ever occur to you that folks might be as happy flying between LBB, MAF and AMA in their job as you are at Mother D?
 
It amazes a lot of you beyond belief that someone actually doesn't want to fly for Southwest. It drives you crazy. There are plenty of other airlines out there that have different flying available. Now, your pay rates are great, and your stews are a lot of fun. There is no disagreeing with that. I just don't want to fly multiple legs per day with 25 minute turns, and many share my views. I am sure that LBB, MAF, and AMA are........are........grrreat. Take care.


Bye Bye--General Lee

I could care less that you don't want to fly for us. Judging by what I see of your personality here I am thankful that you are not here.

But you can stop posting your never ending drivel on SWA threads now.

What is the point of your constant chest thumping? What is the value added of your origional post? Or any of your posts on these SWA threads? You don't like SWA? Great! Butt out!
 
Both good choices

A lot of us Delta geezers remember the old steam-gauge, 6-leg-per-day, DC-9 as being the most FUN flying of our airline careers. That sounds like what Southwest does all the time, and for top wages. I enjoyed the variety of DAL's equipment and routes, but LUV would have been fine too. :)
 
General-- The point is, we get it. You don't want to finish a multiple leg day in LBB, and you're not alone. We get it. We understand. It's getting old.
 
General--How many legs a day do they fly at Song? Does Song go international? Do they have good overnights? And most importantly, are they hiring? I think they have a bright future, and I'd like to join the team.
 
Thank gawd we have options to do both domestic and INTL. In fact, you can get senior on one type of equipment and do turns and be home each night. You can fly the DL Shuttle and do all of your layovers at home too (DCA or BOS). You can then see if you like INTL and try it for a year, on different types of equipment. You can also try Hawaii flying, or down to the Carribbean, or get a second family in Rio De Janero on accident after a lot of beer, or a myriad of other examples. Any questions?


Bye Bye--General Lee

If DAL is so great then why are people leaving Delta to come over to SWA?

I personally know of 4 people who have done so within the past year. And they were not furloughed either. They resigned their numbers at DAL to come to SWA.
 
It amazes a lot of you beyond belief that someone actually doesn't want to fly for Southwest. It drives you crazy. There are plenty of other airlines out there that have different flying available. Now, your pay rates are great, and your stews are a lot of fun. There is no disagreeing with that. I just don't want to fly multiple legs per day with 25 minute turns, and many share my views. I am sure that LBB, MAF, and AMA are........are........grrreat. Take care.


Bye Bye--General Lee



What drives us crazy is that you really want to work here but won't admitt it to anyone on this board. Yoa my child are JEALOUS. but its ok everything will be fine. you will get new airplanes, more debt and more consecions. but its ok don't worry be happy!
 
I know SWA/FO doesn't want to go to Europe. He loves the golden triangle of LBB, AMA, and MAF. I am sure he is relieved.

Tell us what you and your Capt. did again on your 40 hour overnight? Makes me laugh everytime you tell that story! No $hit, he was still wearing his double breasted coat too!!!

The SWA/FO gets paid more money then you, just to fly into the golden triangle. Thats why they call it the "GOLDen triangle". :laugh:
 
Yeah, just one actually.

Did it ever occur to you that folks might be as happy flying between LBB, MAF and AMA in their job as you are at Mother D?

Thats exactly the point. One of the things we look for in the interview is if you will be happy flying a light twin domestic the rest of your career. If not a company like Delta is a great place to work for all the reasons Mr. Lee points out and more. I get a little bored now and then myself but then I remind myself what a great place this is and what a privilege it is to get to do it. Been there and done the international thing, glad I did but also glad its over.
 
It amazes a lot of you beyond belief that someone actually doesn't want to fly for Southwest. It drives you crazy. There are plenty of other airlines out there that have different flying available. Now, your pay rates are great, and your stews are a lot of fun. There is no disagreeing with that. I just don't want to fly multiple legs per day with 25 minute turns, and many share my views. I am sure that LBB, MAF, and AMA are........are........grrreat. Take care.


Bye Bye--General Lee

My God General, where did anyone at Southwest become amazed that someone would not want to fly here? Again, you jump on a Southwest thread and regurgitate your LBB, MAF, AMA drivel.

Must you depose Southwest to feel good about Delta? It's as if you have to justify your own existence at Delta. Are you truly happy there?
 
General--How many legs a day do they fly at Song? Does Song go international? Do they have good overnights? And most importantly, are they hiring? I think they have a bright future, and I'd like to join the team.

Song? That be gone now, and the planes have been integrated back into Mainline. The 757/767 rarely has more than 3 legs a day, with most trips having just one or two per day. I usually do 2 legs a day to the Carribbean and back, or one to ANC with a 24 hour layover and an allnighter back to ATL (by choice too). If you want to join the DL team, we are hiring, and this last class had newhires in the 757/767, which is amazing.
And, absolutely NO flights to LBB, AMA, or MAF. Thank gawd.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
leave it up to the General to hijack a thread with his "My DAL is better than your SWA" Last I checked DAL was not mentioned by the original poster...but he had to put his DAL nonesense on a SWA thread AGAIN.
 
My God General, where did anyone at Southwest become amazed that someone would not want to fly here? Again, you jump on a Southwest thread and regurgitate your LBB, MAF, AMA drivel.

Must you depose Southwest to feel good about Delta? It's as if you have to justify your own existence at Delta. Are you truly happy there?

I love it here. I really do. But, I am amazed at how Southwest guys take it so personally if someone (like me) states that Southwest isn't for everyone. Blasphemy!!! Really, everyone needs to cool off a bit and just see it for what it is, Southwest is a great airline that not everyone wants to fly for. I like less legs per day and longer ones too. To each his own I guess, but I have an opinion and I express it----and people on here think I will ruin it for someone thinking about Southwest. If that is all it takes, then someone really isn't that interested. Take care!


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
leave it up to the General to hijack a thread with his "My DAL is better than your SWA" Last I checked DAL was not mentioned by the original poster...but he had to put his DAL nonesense on a SWA thread AGAIN.

I never said DL was better than SW, just that not everyone wants to fly for SW. I still said SW has great pay and great stews. Take a chill pill.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
I... how Southwest guys take it so personally if someone (like me) states that Southwest isn't for everyone. Blasphemy!!! Really, everyone needs to cool off a bit and just see it for what it is, Southwest is a great airline that not everyone wants to fly for...

Dude, that is not it at all. And it is not what you posted to start either. Why are you even posting on this thread? Is Delta anywhere in the title? Should I go on your Delta thread about winglets and post how we got em before you?

Your posts are a waste of bandwidth and you are a jerk.
 
Dude, that is not it at all. And it is not what you posted to start either. Why are you even posting on this thread? Is Delta anywhere in the title? Should I go on your Delta thread about winglets and post how we got em before you?

Your posts are a waste of bandwidth and you are a jerk.

Where are the rules that state I can't opine any time I want to? Are you a commie that favors strict rules? If so, then start your own website and limit the people who can be on there. Otherwise, put me on ignore, I really wouldn't mind. Anyone who doesn't want to fly for Southwest is a jerk to you probably. Quit gulping the wild turkey.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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