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This letter was on our MSA web board


Please feel free to send your thoughts of this letter and our TA to our MEC at this email address:

[email protected]

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To My MEC, Negotiating Committee and My Fellow Airline Pilots:

First, to the Negotiating Committee, I want to extend
my deepest appreciation for carrying the current
struggle we, as Mesaba Pilots, have been engaged in
for the past 900-and-some days. Your efforts have
been remarkable and above expectations. I have no
doubts that your efforts and intentions have been to
win everything that could possibly be won for all of
us at the negotiating table. You must know and
understand that even though the results of your
efforts have fallen short, you have earned and deserve
the respect and admiration of each pilot here at
Mesaba.

Second, to the MEC, it must be stated that without
your leadership we would not have come this far in our
struggle for a fair contract. Also, I believe your
leadership will be needed more in the coming days than
in those past. I don’t subscribe to the thought that
you have sold us out. On the contrary, I understand
and know that your decisions have been guided by a
true desire to represent us as a group and at times
safeguard us from the harms of the battle ahead. I
believe your decision to extend the strike deadline
and bring to us this TA is an attempt not to “sell us
short”, but to offer us the choice for ourselves to
face the dangers of the road ahead knowing the
possible consiquenses. This I admire, respect and
appreciate. However, I must return to the point that
the current TA is drastically short, not of just my
expectations, but also of my value as a Mesaba pilot.

With the above statements made, it is necessary to
look at the proposed TA. In an attempt to highlight a
few of the shortfalls, I ask you to continue below:

PAY
The obvious and most easily recognized shortfall is in
pay.

- FO rates remain a single rate across the board
regardless of equipment and still remain in the bottom
half of the industry as compared to other CRJ
FO rates, not to mention other 69 seat and comparable
rates. When you look at the airlines who
remain below us in FO pay the only one which has
negotiated recently is Mesa, every other one will
leap ahead of us in the next few years. Considering
our 5 year term even Mesa will leap ahead of
us, leaving us at the bottom of the pay rates industry
wide.

- CRJ CA rates for the first ten years are an average
of $7.17 per/hr below Comair, an average of $6.45
per/hr below Atlantic Coast, and an average of
$0.82 per/hr below Pinnacle’s rate come this May.
- ARJ CA rates for years 1 though 10 are all below
Atlantic Coast’s and Comair’s CRJ CA rates.
- Considering the fact that these rates are so low and
we are looking at a term of 5 years, we will come to
the end of this contract and be so far below
industry average that in order to regain the ground we
have lost drastic measures and extreme pay
increases will be required.

MIN DAY & TRIP AND DUTY RIGS
Trip and Duty rigs are just simply missing. Forget
the look forward trip and duty rigs of Air Wisconsin
(that actually put money in your pocket); we don’t
even have non-effective look back rigs.

Min Day, even though an improvement, doesn’t apply to
CDOs.

RETIREMENT
With the majority of benefits in the later years, we
have failed to capitalize on the whole concept of
interest compounding. Granted these improvements are
needed for the senior pilots but something should have
been added to the earlier years. It’s the compounding
of money that generates growth of your 401K account,
not just large increases in the company match in the
later years. With many of us now looking at being
career Mesaba Pilots this is a very important issue.

RESERVE ASSIGNMENTS OUT OF ORDER AFTER 70 HOURS

This directly takes money away from pilots. For
example, take the senior build-up reserve pilot who
intentionally tries to pick up trips to maximize his
pay. If that pilot has been averaging 85 hours a
month before, they will now be cut back to their
guarantee of 75 hours. For a 6 year SF3 CA making
$48.81 per/hr (on our current rates, for new pay rates
as proposed add 5% to this figure) this means a pay
cut of approximately $5,857.20 over 12 months. For an
8 year ARJ CA making $68.12 per/hr (on our current
rates, for new pay rates as proposed add 5% to this
figure) this means a pay cut of $8,174.44 over 12
months. For a 3 year FO making $26.79 (on our current
rates, for new pay rates as proposed add 13% to this
figure) this means a pay cut of $3,214.80 over 12
months.

RETRO PAY
This offer has no “retro pay”. This is a signing
bonus, dressed up to look something similar to retro
pay, but in fact it’s nothing more than an enticement
to get us to sign this contract. Real retro pay is
based on the difference between what I should have
been making and didn’t, because the company was
delaying the negotiating process. Neither the CA’s 5%
or the FO’s 10% of 2003 W2 earnings has any
correlation to the difference between what I actually
collected in income and what I should have collected
considering the new pay rates. Also, we stopped
receiving raises on June 1, 2002 which was 19 months
ago, not just the 12 months of 2003.

LENGTH OF THE CONTRACT
5 years from the DOS is completely unacceptable. A
strong contract with real compensation and quality of
life gains could make a term such as 5 years more
acceptable. But with the contents of this TA,
absolutely no more than 3 years is acceptable. We
need to position ourselves for negotiations during the
strong economic times not the down turns of the
business cycle.

THE IMPACT OF THIS CONTRACT ON THE AIRLINE INDUSTRY,
OUR PEER GROUPS, AND US
In good conscience, we cannot ratify a TA with pay
increases which will undercut our fellow ALPA pilots
at Pinnacle who have willingly and overwhelmingly
supported our fight for a fair contract. This TA
represents a blatant attempt by management to continue
the “whipsaw” tactics against our brothers and sisters
at Pinnacle by having Mesaba pilots undermine the
Pinnacle MEC and Negotiating Committee before
negotiations even begin. By undermining our fellow
ALPA pilots at Pinnacle we in turn undermine ourselves
the next time we sit at the negotiating table. This
cycle must be stopped!

We have repeatedly said we should be in line with
pilots at our peer airlines, Comair, Atlantic Coast,
Air Wisconsin, and Horizon.

This TA does not even maintain the bar, much less
improve the bar. Our peers at other ALPA carriers
have pledged their support to our cause. A failure to
maintain the standards, that others have fought so
hard to gain before us, is a failure of our duty to
them as brothers and sisters in ALPA. The gains won
over decades of struggle will be squandered and lost
if not defended at every opportunity and challenge.

As Mesaba pilots, we are all highly trained, educated,
productive, and responsible professionals. The proof
of our skill, excellence and dedication is
demonstrated in the company’s performance and safety
record. This contract would transform us from the
proud professionals we are today, to the industry
bottom dwellers every other pilot looks down upon. Do
we want to be the scourge of the industry? Our
decision is not one between accepting this TA and
going on strike? Our decision is one of doing the
right thing or not? Ask yourself, am I going to sell
myself and my fellow pilots out to keep a job I enjoy?
Am I going to sell out and undermine the entire
industry? I know the professionals I work with every
day and we all know we cannot accept this TA! Anyone
who thinks we will agree to this TA is counting on our
fear of the hardships a strike will bring. I am
counting on the character and integrity of the people
I have come to know and respect! I am counting on the
courage of the proud professional I know of as a
Mesaba Pilot! We will never be the scourge! It is
time to let management know this once and for all!

We have not gone looking for this battle, but this
battle has come upon us. Our MEC has, without doubt,
done all that could be expected to protect us from the
harms a strike could bring, but now it is time for us
to stand and fight the fight that must be fought.
This struggle will be long and difficult. For many
the price will be high. But for all, the battle must
be waged. This battle is not about where we are
today, but rather about where we are going to be
tomorrow. This is not about our past or present, it
is for our future. Not just our future, but the
future of our airline, our industry, and our peers!

I ask every pilot who cares about our industry and our
common future, to print and sign this letter, and then
send it to ALPA, Mesaba MEC, 7900 International Drive,
Bloomington, Minnesota 55425.

I plead with everyMesaba pilot, now is our time to stand together, vote NO to this TA.

I plead with our MEC: stand by our demands and support our struggle as it unfolds. Now is the time for us to take action and VOTE NO!

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Very well said. I don't know the all of the specifics of your TA, but it doesn't look very good. Take it from a Horizon pilot that voted "no" for our contract and it's a lot better than your TA. I can't believe our's passed in the way that it did, so now we're stuck with it for 2 more years (5 yr contract). Good luck.
 
That was by far the best defense for voting no I have heard yet. EXTREMELY well said. I hope this changes some minds.
 
Hey T1 - its going good so far. Haven't gotten to the sim yet because its backed up. That's next week. I get to be the teacher this time around - my sim partner has no airline experience at all. I'm going to try to have more fun and not be so stressed out this time around!
 
qxpilot said:
Very well said. I don't know the all of the specifics of your TA, but it doesn't look very good. Take it from a Horizon pilot that voted "no" for our contract and it's a lot better than your TA. I can't believe our's passed in the way that it did, so now we're stuck with it for 2 more years (5 yr contract). Good luck.


Nothing lonlier in the world than voting "NO" on a contract that passes. Just ask the seven guys at CHQ who voted no.
 
Ichibu said:
Nothing lonlier in the world than voting "NO" on a contract that passes. Just ask the seven guys at CHQ who voted no.
Why's that? Do they get paid less than the ones that voted YES? There's nothing wrong with voting your conscience, and there are a multitude of things in this world lonlier than being on the losing side of any vote.

How pathetic to threaten lonliness for voting NO.
 
Voting no will put Mesaba pilots in a good position to strike just as the spring travel season starts to pick up. Striking in January is useless. There is no best time to strike but Christmas would have had better results. Vote what you feel is right and good luck with you fight.
 
That is the best summary of the situation I have every heard. I hope every Mesaba pilot has an opportunity to read it before they vote.
 
Here are the FACTS regarding the Mesaba T/A. Don't be so quick to listen to the rumors. The T/A is far from a Mesa or Big Sky Sellout. Here are some Facts so you can judge for your self Ok Folks!!

Pay

Yes this is not what we were aiming for. It is however an increase (5.1% to 10.6% for CAs and 13.4% to 23.9% for FOs). We tried to split the FO rates but simply did not have the leverage to do so. We did increase what was a low combined 34 seat turboprop rate for all FOs to a middle 50 seat Turbo Jet rate. Is it enough, that is for our membership to decide.

We did get an average of 3% annual increases (2% DOS +1, 2% DOS +2, 4% DOS +3, 4% DOS+4). This is 1.2% higher than the industry average. This 3% average increase allows us to move up through the pack toward the top throughout our contract, not fall behind (please refer to the pay charts in the T.A. Powerpoint Presentation).

As for the Pinnacle piece, yes it is true, for 8 months Pinnacle’s 50 seat rate is around 1% higher than our rate, in an airplane we do not fly. And in 2005 we are around 2% higher, 2006 5% higher, etc. One thing you need to look at is the overall contract. With the difference in our work rules alone (block or better, trip guarantee, and min day) we are paid 8%-10% higher than Pinnacle.

Min Day & Rigs

Yes we did not get rigs. We tried for look forward and look back rigs and we could not get them. Looking at our peers who have rigs, look back rigs are the most common. When we costed the rigs with our schedules on a look back basis the gain us less than 0.5% and in many cases they added no money to a pilot’s paycheck. We did achieve a look forward minimum day of 4:00. When we costed this, it added 2%-3% to a pilot’s W-2 on a scheduled line only; it is hard to predict a percentage increase based on integration and premium pay/junior manning, as it will vary for each pilot, but it could net a large increase based on a 6 hour min day for premium pay.

Retirement

Our retirement package is far from a failure. We costed hundreds of combinations of front loading and end loading the plans. When comparing other Retirement Plans that front load, we saw they did not achieve a higher value in the end, because the pay rates that F.O.’s and junior Captains are paid throughout the industry. Compounding on 3% of $30k for 30 years is not nearly as valuable as compounding 12.5% of $90k for 10 years. By setting up the retirement plan, making larger enhancements to the later years cost less and got us much more money for retirement. With a modest 5% average market return for 30 years our plan will allow you to retire at age 60 with 55% of our final average earning every year for the rest of our lives. This puts us at the top of our peer group, above ARW, ACO, PCL, EGL only being exceeded by Comair by 3%.

Retro Pay

This is retro pay. It is not 100% retro pay, but it is on an average 82% retro pay. We went 19 months past our amendable date. If you total the raises you missed to get us to the rates in our TA, that would be 100% retro pay. We were not able to achieve 100%, but we did get close (82.4%-91.3%).

Scheduling Provisions

We made leaps in the scheduling section. The consolidation of CDOs into pure CDO lines, should reduce CDOs and increase the days off for regular line holders. We made reserve lines biddable in the bid package allowing a reserve pilot the ability to use his seniority to enhance his quality of life. We improved out trip displacement provision and improved our inviolate days. In addition, there is now language that forces the Company to post all available open time until 48 hours prior to the trip and there is also a provision that allows a pilot that is Junior Assigned to opt to have the trip remain in open time until 6 hours prior to the trip.

Impact on the industry

How does this TA impact the industry? I have had my nose in every contract for the last 3 years. I know all of them well enough to know this TA as an overall package keeps us in the top quarter of the pack. When you look at not just the wages but the work rules, retirement, job security, training and testing and every other provision we have, we are not under cutting anyone. In fact we stopped a real threat to every pilot contract out there, Big Sky.

Big Sky’s contract is 20% to 30% lower than ours. They were bidding on every bit of flying they could get there hands on. Next time you bump into a Comair pilot ask them who they would be more concerned about; Mesaba with our TA that is not as high as theirs, but with start up costs are more expensive to do Delta flying, or Big Sky who’s contract is cheap enough to absorb the start up costs and still undercut every regional airline in the US. Our scope stopped Big Sky from under cutting virtually every airline in the industry. We protected our jobs and others. I think the TA’s Job Security provisions are the best in the regional industry. We captured our holding company and bound them to our contract. If they want to start up another company and grow outside the NWA family, they have to do it with our pilots under the terms of our contract. Not having scope in our last contracted costed our pilots LOA 15, we will never again be put in that position.

This TA has enhancement in every area. Are the enhancements enough? That’s for the 844 pilots at Mesaba to decide. I am not trying to sell this TA to anyone. All I ask is you get the facts and ignore the rumors you hear in the crew rooms. If you have any questions about the TA call one of your reps, MEC officers or call me. If after you hear the facts you still want to vote no, I’ll dial the phone for you to cast your vote, because it is important the each and every pilot vote (Yes or No) on this T.A.
 
I am not trying to sell this TA to anyone. All I ask is you get the facts and ignore the rumors you hear in the crew rooms.

Put lipstick and a dress on a pig, and its still a pig.

I see 3 pay rates. There should either be 4 or 2. Split the FO rates, or blend the captain rates as well. (Im sure RLB will comment on that one)

No provision to deter stalled negotiation tactics. 5 year equates to 7-8. NWA got the 5% x2 pay increases after it became ammendable, darn good move on that contract part.

And the question I keep asking--did this help out the industry and future contracts. I will vote my conscience.
 
For all the voters at Mesaba, your vote is your vote and I wish you the best. That said my humble outside observation of your tentative agreement is that the company could and should give you more. As an XJT pilot, I've included some comparisons.

Pay: Still puts your FO pay below what any relatively senior Flight Attendant at NWA is making. FA's put up with alot of crap and I couldn't stand handling all the various difficult passengers that board airlines these days. That said, when an FA screws up big time, nobody's life is usually on the line. When a pilot screws up, CNN goes into overdrive. Compensation should reflect the responsibility and liability of pilot operations. At the very least should your pay should match Comair for comparable aircraft and the Avro is the equilavent of a DC9-10.

Per Diem: Should equate or be close to what an NWA crewmember makes. TA falls way below that.

Retirement: Lousy match for anyone junior. At XJT it's currently 100% match from 1-5% additional 125%-150% from 5-6% accross the board. Your TA is designed to help build up the funds of the very top senior pilots and everyone else must stick around for great matches.

DH: Half pay should be non-existance. XJT is currently full pay.

Open Time: Trips should be in open time within 12 hours not 48 hours. XJT is currently 12 hours.

Basically this TA seems like it's lacking in several areas. Of course potentially going on strike again is not a pleasant option, but ask yourself if you'll be happy with this TA 2, 3, 6 years from now. Good luck and vote for your quality of life.
 
What XJXJXJ is not telling anyone is that the original projected cost that the MEC had figured out back in October of 03', for our 1st year of the contract, was $21.9 million. The 1st year cost of this TA is - $6.5 million.

Our company played the bankruptcy card and our negotiators flinched. They squandered a 98% strike vote and any leverage they had by extending the strike deadline.

This TA is a lemon.
 
The 21.9 Million per year was our "Dream" proposal that would have raised the bar well beyond Comair pay with Full Look Fwd Rigs and 100% Retro, Full DH, 1.85 Per Diem ect, ect. Obiviously, we were aiming high and we had to have expectations of not getting all we were asking for. Over the 5 year life of this contract we are gaining 43 Million Dollars Which averages out almost 9 Million per year extra going into Mesaba Pilots Pockets, Not to mention all the awesome enhancements in other areas non financial. Not bad considering everybody else is taking concessions. I think most reasonable people expected a compromise somewhere in the middle between XJ's "Cost Neutral Offer" and ALPA's "Aim High" opening proposal. No mesaba pilot was ever promised an industry leading contract and the end result was a good fair agreement that undercuts nobody when you look at the big picture. Way too many people can't get beyond what their hourly rate will be on Date of Signing.
 
XJXJXJ states:

""We did get an average of 3% annual increases (2% DOS +1, 2% DOS +2, 4% DOS +3, 4% DOS+4). This is 1.2% higher than the industry average. This 3% average increase allows us to move up through the pack toward the top throughout our contract, not fall behind (please refer to the pay charts in the T.A. Powerpoint Presentation). ""



Type on "GOOGLE" and search for "average long term inflation rates." The numbers reflected above can not be considered a raise if actual "buying power" of money is part of your definition. They are, perhaps a cost of living increase.

Inflation has been very moderate recently, about 2.5-3.0% per year. Over the life of a given contract, that may not hold true, and the 2% initial yearly increases, in terms of buying power over that time frame may leave something to be desired.
 
De Pez....

Keep in mind that the raises that you refered to are just the annual payscale adjustments. You also get your Longevity raise on top of that. Total pay raises are more like this over the 5 years of the contrat.

Year 1 5%
Year 2 5 %
Year 3 6%
Year 4 7%
Year 5 7%

Total raises over the life of the contract are about 45% for FO's and 35 for Captains. This is why you need to look beyond just what your payrate will be on date of signing. With the higher pay raises coming during the last 3 years, it will eventually be close to industry leading pay.
 
A fool and his TA vote are soon parted.
 

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