Mesa

[YEAGER1]

You know, I wouldnt even let ben franklin, get to you. There is one in every crowd. Its pretty funny. I was flying with a guy last week that had the pay scales for all of the regionals. And to my shock ( not ) mesa wasnt the lowest out there. The thing is, is that, people dont like to see there jobs in danger. Many dis-like southwest, For the same reason people dis-like Mesa. It just so happens, that mesa makes a couple bucks less than some of the other compaines. Its pretty funny everyone says oh look at comair. Well it was a pre 9-11 contract. And they had big daddy delta with the deep pockets to help them get that nice pay raise. Well that could all change soon anyway. Mesa was post 9-11, with 2 sinking ships, US, AND HP. Yes I know we dont make the most, but we diffently dont make the least. Noone likes us because we cause disruption, just like southwest does. I just work the company, I dont make the decsions, So why dont you do us all a big favor and get the hell off all of our backs.

 

[crashpad]

I like Mesa. Then again I like watching Ben get spooled up, too.
What really makes me nastalgic were those great exchanges between T-Bags and the master of verbal warmanship Ty Webb!

 

[scar1900]

Mesa sucks! What you forgot to mention is the details of your contract signed last year. Pay means nothing unless you have protection for that pay. I believe your per diem is 1.15. I don't think my airline ever got that little of per diem. You have little or no pay protection for MX. You guys cancell more than any other regional out there. Do you get paid for that? Do you still get paid block? Do you get paid for dead heads? You get 50 seat pay for the 90 seater. . . Have fun on your next six day trip!

You are so misinformed that I don't even know were to start. Average perdiem rates arn't much different than ours. Even at 30 cents more an hour (towards the highest I've seen at other regionals) means whole $45 every 150 hours. Big deal. We get paid for cancellations if we meat our completion goals for the month. We get paid for dead heads. And we have 90 seat pay rates. The captains top out at around $110 hour. We have no six day trips (that I know about) and we turned the Midway cert. into the FAA. Better check your facts next time bro. There aren't many of us our happy with our contract but we have to live with it. There were certain circumstances that were out of our hands. Your consintant whining isn't helping anyone so just give it a rest. Or, better yet, go out and get an industry leading contract and reset the bar. Something everyone else can use come negotion time. Otherwise quit crying.

 

[belchfire]

Corpex has the worst payscale
in the industry that I am aware
of. It is frozen, has been for 3
years and there is no end in
sight. Oh yeah, the perdiem is
$1.00...and we are committed to
the continuing viability of the
"19 seat" market.

 

[Otto Coarsen]

You don't know any different. All your pilots come from your farm school and don't have a clue what a good contract is. They are just happy to be in the right seat of a jet a 200 hours. Willing to work for nothing!

Right you moron...... All 20% of our pilot group that came from San Juan College...

Nice factual post there buddy.... Couldn't you get one fact right?

douchebag

 

[Jetscream32]

**CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**, Scar, you beat me to the punch. Don't forget also that a lot of guys and gals at Mesa are from such airlines as Usairways, United, and CCair. Last time I checked (when I got hired by CCair) the mins there were 1500 and 500. The San Juan program makes up the minority of all FO's, King2345. There are minimums to upgrade to Captain as well. Those being 2500 hrs. and if someone were to come out of the MAPD program then they would have about 2200 jet time to upgrade. It d-bags like King2345 spreading ill informed crap that gives Mesa a bad name. I have yet to hear one informed gripe about us that actually holds water, save the ACA debacle.
Any more brain busters King?

 

[CitationLover]

king2345 you bastard......get your fuchin facts straight..

WE GET PAID $1.18/HR PER DIEM!!!!

and don't forget it douchebag!

 

[belchfire]

For the guys and gals at USAirways and the
wholly owneds I really am hoping that things
can work out over there, and it is wrong of
your management to actively go outside and
bring these other carriers in.

I have no problem with the guys and
gals at MESA. Most of them weren't there
when the contract was signed, and they
treat me well when I am looking for a
ride home...the most important trip of a
sequence!

I do take issue with JLO, I sent money to
AERO to help them fight orenstink, as did
a bunch of us.

Now that there are a bunch of J4J
and CCair people there, and if Mesa survives
whatever happens at US, the big question
is what will happen during the next contract.
Can the pilot group raise the bar? Can
they keep orenstink from starting another
alter-ego? Can they overcome ALPA's vested
intrest in protecting mainline jobs and
keeping regionals down?

What I have heard is that for all the kicking
and the strike vote, ALPA didn't get the
crews at Mesaba that much of an
improvement (I admit I haven't seen the new
contract or the old one, just what I have
heard). Do the crewmembers at mesa have
the stuff to fight both the union and orenstink
when the time comes?

Instead of attacking other pilots (many of whom
were just SOL for a job or were "bought" ie.
CCair) or maybe were just green instructors
that thought it was cool just to be interviewed
by a jet operator (you bitter jaded types do
remember that excitement, don't you?) why
don't we start helping them prepare for the
fight? It's a few years off, but if Orenstink
knows that the rest of the industry is behind
his pilots it might go better for them.

How many of you that are raving against the
mesa crews and have cushy pre 9-11 contracts
have been unemployed since? Spend a few
years on the street like some of my friends
and let me know how it goes! Yeah, Jlo
stinks but at least they have a job.

Lets see to it that when negotiations come
around again that they get the help they
so richly deserve!

 

[mesa rocks]

I voted yes on the contract. (along with the other 70% or so of mesa pilots.)

None of us liked it at all. In fact, The whole pilot group laughed out loud when ornstein presented the POS contract to the pilot group. (that POS now makes up the bulk of our contract, along with ALPAs scope language).

Twenty or so road shows later and a constant bombardment from ALPA and our negotiating committee about the fact that we were really in no position to achieve much else, changed the minds of many.

I don't know where people get this "every mesa pilot I meet says they voted no" crap. I would look forward to bringing out all the facts and circumstances surrounding our crappy contract to anyone that asked.

especially in a jumpseat.

 

[ChinaClipper]

The only "NO" voters @ Mesa...

were easy to find. Just look for a gaggle of JO's private detectives looking for rabble-rousers and Chief Pilots looking to fire ANYONE who dissented, I know they tried to find dirt on me. JO has refined the "...intimidate, fired and sue..." method of crowd control (read; PILOTS and other "enemies") Heck, he even did it to his own managers, they can't speak because of retribution and signed confidentiality muzzles. Ask Holly Hegman @ Planebusiness.com about what happens to people in the MEDIA who print even the most remotely negative stories about the FACTS @ Mesa. JO punished her for a small article about Mesa's well-know operation problems, an article that became famous @ the Crystal Palace. Her reward was a Mesa-financed lawsuit claiming, of all things, slander. It was frivilous and didn't have a chance in the long run, but it cost Hegman nearly six figures to fight the eventually dropped, POS lawsuit. JO knew that would be a real blow to her small operation but its just his style, a little tyrant with a corporate financed legal gestapo to quell his "adversaries", real or imagined. Most of you folks will thankfully never have to deal with this pathologiacal twit or anyone like him. But until you do, don't pass judgement on Mesa employees, past or present who, like me, were in his crosshairs. Heading for the bunker now...out......

 

[mckpickle]

Holey shnikies!!! China and I agree on something. When JO was at COEX he was a motherless prick and looked at the payscales to decide who to fire. He was let go after his ego was too bruised when CAL would not spin off Express and let him run it.

 

[islandhopper]

Re: The only "NO" voters @ Mesa...

f-in "A" clip! Excellent post! That pretty much covers it. JO now dreams of taking over our airlines so he can finally fire us. Haha they had their chance and blew it. TTMF!!!!

were easy to find. Just look for a gaggle of JO's private detectives looking for rabble-rousers and Chief Pilots looking to fire ANYONE who dissented, I know they tried to find dirt on me. JO has refined the "...intimidate, fired and sue..." method of crowd control (read; PILOTS and other "enemies") Heck, he even did it to his own managers, they can't speak because of retribution and signed confidentiality muzzles. Ask Holly Hegman @ Planebusiness.com about what happens to people in the MEDIA who print even the most remotely negative stories about the FACTS @ Mesa. JO punished her for a small article about Mesa's well-know operation problems, an article that became famous @ the Crystal Palace. Her reward was a Mesa-financed lawsuit claiming, of all things, slander. It was frivilous and didn't have a chance in the long run, but it cost Hegman nearly six figures to fight the eventually dropped, POS lawsuit. JO knew that would be a real blow to her small operation but its just his style, a little tyrant with a corporate financed legal gestapo to quell his "adversaries", real or imagined. Most of you folks will thankfully never have to deal with this pathologiacal twit or anyone like him. But until you do, don't pass judgement on Mesa employees, past or present who, like me, were in his crosshairs. Heading for the bunker now...out......