Mesa

[goflyme]

Anyone heared of any classes comming up for Mesa?

 

[wscrj]

Soon?

JO's hotline from 11JUL said the training dept. at MESA is gearing up for a lot of work on all a/c types.

SUPPOSEDLY, most of the 35 UAL RJ's and most of the 25 USA RJ's will be online by the end of next year. Math says thats 60 planes at 5 crews/plane.

We are short NOW, this dam absolutely has to break soon.

If I hear some concrete information, I will post it here.

 

[stillaboo]

Off the mesa discussion board:

The most recent aircraft award shows a Dash class 7/21 (DEN base), a CRJ class 7/21 (PHX based crew both on the YV and F8 certificates) and 7/28 (DEN based YV crews), and an ERJ class 7/21 (CLT and DCA based crews). These were all awarded on 7/9. Most were CC Air guys being junior assigned the west coast CRJ's.

A few CC Air guys left to be re-called, then 88 guys in the pool. Last interview July 1st (rumor was the interview was 1/2 sized and designed to fill the pool up to 100). Not sure what the times were of the guys (hasn't been posted).

Mesa pilots on all equipment say they are short. It looks like the training dept. is in no hurry to ramp up, however.

-Boo!

 

[Rottweiller]

Off the mesa discussion board:

Last interview July 1st (rumor was the interview was 1/2 sized and designed to fill the pool up to 100). Not sure what the times were of the guys (hasn't been posted).

-Boo!

Couldn't be more than about 250 hours TT that would make them way to qualified if it were

 

[stillaboo]

Couldn't be more than about 250 hours TT that would make them way to qualified if it were

Cute. I've heard from an IOE guy at Mesa that they actually do quite well. Anyway . . .

I haven't heard what the street guys times were. I have heard that there were street guys there though. (furloughed mainliners, CFI's, don't know).

-Boo!

 

[ERJdca]

"Couldn't be more than about 250 hours TT that would make them way to qualified if it were"

Rottweiller,



Are you ACA or air wisky? Just curious, because wasn't aca taking 600hour riddle guys? I know quite a few over there. I THINK asa did too? Guess they were just sooooo much more experianced. What about the coex guys? 300hrs, i know of 1 that a friend of mine taught! I guess you guys are much better pilots.

Seeya Maverick

 

[skydrvr]

"Couldn't be more than about 250 hours TT that would make them way to qualified if it were"

Rottweiller,



Are you ACA or air wisky? Just curious, because wasn't aca taking 600hour riddle guys? I know quite a few over there. I THINK asa did too? Guess they were just sooooo much more experianced. What about the coex guys? 300hrs, i know of 1 that a friend of mine taught! I guess you guys are much better pilots.

Seeya Maverick

Defending Mesa huh??? I take it you work for one of the bottom feeding Regionals. Nice...how proud you must be...and no I am not one of the "600 hr" new hires.

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

I know of one that is in the pool that is off the street. Skydr dont be a D$#K

 

[BoeingBaller]

250tt

That should be illegal.

 

[OnTheDole]

I'm in the pool - and very happy to be there. I did not go through MAPD I was hired "off the street" at 2000TT 400ME. When I interviewed there were about 5 non-MAPD guys including myself and I think I was the lowest TT. As far as quality of the MAPD guys- aside from low actual instrument time I have never heard of a complaint. The program seems to really weed out those that wont cut it. I would say someone freshout of strict training in a B58 or A36 would have my vote over an instuctor with 1500TT doing fun flights in a 152. I doubt Mesa makes much (if any) money on the training side of things so they must see it as some value.

 

[Rottweiller]

"Couldn't be more than about 250 hours TT that would make them way to qualified if it were"

Rottweiller,



Are you ACA or air wisky? Just curious, because wasn't aca taking 600hour riddle guys? I know quite a few over there. I THINK asa did too? Guess they were just sooooo much more experianced. What about the coex guys? 300hrs, i know of 1 that a friend of mine taught! I guess you guys are much better pilots.

Seeya Maverick

Air Wis. They have always had some of the highest minimums in the regionals and even some of the majors to get hired. Check Airwis.com look at the minimums and double them at least in order to get on, plus 121 time also. No 250 hour wonder pilots here - sorry.

 

[skydrvr]

I know of one that is in the pool that is off the street. Skydr dont be a D$#K

Did I mention the word "pilot" in my post?? I think not. For that matter did I mention anything about those looking for jobs?? I think not. Was I pertaing to those who don't fight for what is right?? YES!! Was I pertaining to those who don't take care of those who carry the lives of thousands of people?? YES!! When you read a post try to understand what is being said oppossed to each individual word.

 

[ERJdca]

"Defending Mesa huh??? I take it you work for one of the bottom feeding Regionals. Nice...how proud you must be...and no I am not one of the "600 hr" new hires"

skydrvr,
Terrific attitude, u must be a pilot? Yes i guess i do work for a "bottom feeder", defending, no. I wasn't a 250hr guy either, i went to riddle diddle and instructed(by the way, i turned down the aca bridge, because at the time J32 guys were getting hosed cause a riddle guy was taking higher paying jobs in the j41/crj) Other guys didnt give a crap. Instead i instructed and glad i did. Where in my post did i mention i was proud? Guess my no vote showed how proud i was? Other airlines did accept low time guys as well, that was the point. And you need to stop labeling guys cause they work for mesa, or cause they work for a "bottom feeder", why are you so special?

Rottweiller,
thats why i asked, as far as i can remember air wisky always had high mins, i remember talking with some folks there at a job fair and they were very friendly. At the time i did not have 2500TT (i believe thats what it was at the time) and i didn't want to work out west.

 

[phantom122]

Cheese and rice! Here we go again. Ahh, amazing how much backbiting goes on amongst "professional" pilots. Lots of "I'm better than you are" mentality. It's like a CFI friend of mine said - this industry breeds arrogance. I think when you boil it down, we all want the same thing - to have a flying job, flying decent equipment for decent pay. Management must get a big kick out of watching some of the internal strife within pilot groups sometimes!

 

[ChinaClipper]

I love these little talks.......

Pilots of the World, UNITE! Fight the low cost scum that is replacing US as the replacements for mainline flying! Accept nothing less than high RJ wages for flying cheaper than the DC-9/B717/737 rates that are the scourge of the industry! Fight for the good of the industry! Accept nothing less! Be proud of being the highest paid of the replacement pilots! There are too many mainline jobs around any way! Seig, HEIL Seig, HIEL!! BTW ALPA lead the fight to sign such a weak, contract...can I get my dues back?

 

[phantom122]

Why is it that mainline pilots often attack/look down at/get bent out of shape toward "regional" pilots for "taking our flying"? Seems to me that it's not the intention of "regional" pilots to take flying from anyone. Decisions about what aircraft are flown and by what pilot group are made by management. I know about scope and what not, but mainline pilot frustration and anger should be directed squarely at management, not at the pilots at the "regional" level. These guys are just trying to make a living doing what they enjoy doing. No one in this world started with 10,000 hrs. flying 747's. Everyone has to start at the bottom, so why is there so much animosity toward the smaller jets and the pilots that fly them? The real solution to management's pushing of the flying toward "the lowest bidder" is for everyone to fight together to significantly raise "regional" airline wages. Sooner or later people have got to take a stand and say "no way, I'm not gonna keep doing this major airline type flying for next-to-nothing wages."

I know it's a little off topic, but this crap about "dam@ you for stealing my 737 flying with your EMB-145" attitude is really starting to irk me. Time to make CEO's think twice about taking advantage of whatever work group necessary in order to line their own pockets.

Flame away if need be.

 

[DontFeedTheBear]

Mesa interviews

Yes there was an interview on July 1st. It was only for MAPD grads, and only 16 were interviewed. As far as I know there are 3 classes starting in about a week (CRJ, ERJ, Dash8). Rumor is that there is another interview soon, and it will be MAPD grads again. BTW, I have had the chance to fly with quite a bit of MAPD grads, and they are quite impressive for 250TT pilots All training is done in A36, B58, and B1900D, and all slackers seem to be weeded out by the demanding program. Mapd grads flew the 1900 as well as any street FO, as I see it. Of all the grads of MAPD, there have only been 2 that have failed ground school/sim ride. That is well above the "off the street" averages. While in GS at Mesa, the MAPD have continuously outperformed the others. Think about it, even when times were good, MAPD created pilots that would be stuck at Mesa for 3-5 yrs min (low hrs, long upgrade, then still low hrs). What a low turnover rate, I bet that turns a good corporate profit, beware of more MAPD type programs in the future!

PS. I am not with Mesa anymore! Yeah!

Yogi

 

[Jet_Dreamer]

this is no flame.

I would hope the mapd grads would pass the ground school when HIRED, considering it is the second time they are taugh the systems of the 1900. of course i dont know what goes on during there time in mapd, but they should be more prepared than any off the street new hire.

 

[DontFeedTheBear]

I agree, but....

Dear Jet,

Then why bash 250TT pilots, when we all agree that they are well prepared. It is funny how only a few have been put in the 1900 recently. Most have been put in the CRJ, ERJ, and Dash. Of the two failures, one was in the 1900, the other in the Dash. No MAPD grad has failed out of either RJ (also, the Dash failure was actually an instructor at MAPD, not a student). Remember, they are only given preferential hiring, not preferential treatment in training. So then, would we agree they are qualified? Well hopefully my point is taken, I only wish that I had been able to shell out the dough for the training, but I am not the least jealous of these guys/gals. They just pay dues in a different way, as in huge student loans. And most of them always had the right attitude, including being polite and happy.

If there is anyone to have a problem with, it should be with the people who went to freedumb, MAPD and streeties alike. They made all this low cost flying possible. They created the bargaining chip for management to $crew over the MESA pilots.

PS. I voted NO!, But what do I know, i'm a small majority.

Sincerely,
Yogi

 

[Jet_Dreamer]

i am not REALLY bashing them. i agree they are prepared, but they have been threw the training twice. once for school, to get the interview. and then once again for real. i have spoken to people at mesa and they really had nothing inspiring to say about THEM. and i agree with you again, THEY are ruining the airline industry for the ones who worked hard to get here. sure you have read this over and over again in many different ways, but it felt good to say it again. aaaaah.