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Mesa MEC

Tentative Agreement Summary


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Section 1: Recognition



New NMB certificate number for:
Mesa Airlines
Air Midwest
CCAir
Freedom Airlines
All flying performed by "Mesa Air Group" Pilots
Length of wet lease/contract flying time now 60 days versus 90 days
No creation of "alter-ego" airlines
"Successorship" and "Transfer of Assets" language
Protection of pilots if Mesa Air Group acquires/transfers
subsidiaries
Allows pilots the opportunity to follow aircraft if assets are
transferred


Section 2: Definitions



"Company" - now includes:
Mesa Airlines
Air Midwest
CCAir
Freedom Airlines
Any other airlines acquired or established by Mesa Air Group
"Pilot" - now references "Mesa Air Group"
Other New Definitions reflect FAA training terms


Section 3: Compensation



Pay increases are guaranteed
New rate increases every 18 months
Addition of Company's 97.5% Controllable Cancellation pay
Controllable defined as:
Schedule adjustments
Mechanical
Aircraft damage
Crew
Historic average from Mar 2000 to Oct 2002
98.1%
Of the 32 months, 8 months would not have met the requirements
Company will now pay 150% for all open time flying, including Junior
Availability


Section 4: Minimum Bid Period Guarantee



Current Book


Section 5: Expenses



Rate of $1.15/hour with annual increase based upon CPI
Language added requiring the Company and Association to meet
regarding any lodging concerns
Transportation for PHX based pilots from PHX to Williams Gateway
Training Facility
Moving expenses:
Company pays up to 9000 lbs of household goods through an agreed upon
moving company, or
Company will pay an allowance plus $500 if pilot self moves with an
agreed upon truck/van rental (Ryder, U-Haul)


Section 6: Deadhead



Current Book


Section 7: Vacation



Vacation week Sunday through Saturday
All 52 weeks eligible for bid
Cancellation notice
4 weeks, previously 2 weeks
Any documented non-refundable deposit reimbursed for cancelled
vacations (except for voluntary training)
Annual bid


Section 8: Sick Leave



Sick leave buy back program (productivity incentives)
"Catastrophic Illness Protection"


Section 9: Leaves of Absence



Jury Duty may be vacation or sick leave


Section 10: Physical Examinations



Incorporates System Board settlement
Chief Pilot's or designee's request for doctor's notes with
reasonable cause


Section 11: Training



Notification Requirements
7 days for training
5 days for PC/PT
considered notified until returned to line
Training contracts are now straight line amortization
50% reduction for 45 days notification of resignation
Set dollar amounts for Jet, TP 20-40 seat, TP 0-19 seat
SA transportation to training center in PHX for PHX based pilots


Section 12: Hours of Service



Minimum Days Off
Line Holders: minimum 10 days off per bid in domicile or TDY domicile
Reserve/Mixed Line Holder: minimum of 8 days off per bid in domicile
or TDY domicile
Pilots in training current practice


Section 13: Scheduling



Consecutive days off to 3 groups of 3 days for lineholders
(Company's
best effort)
Consecutive days of to 2 groups of 3 days for reserves (to the extent
possible)


New Timeline for Scheduling Distribution

CB=Current Bargaining Agreement, TA=Tentative Agreement




§ Pilots required to fly carryover trips

§ During Integration, FAR conflicts will be resolved by
dropping either shifts or segments

§ Uncovered flying created during integration will be
assigned to pilots, in the following order:

o Line Holders

o Mixed line holders

o For IOE or consolidation

o Reserve

§ Call Me First (CMF)/Call Me Last (CML)

§ Extended Reserve Call Out provision

§ Ready Reserve incorporated

§ Company has right to reserve up to 5% of all known
flying
for consolidation only

§ Continuous Duty Overnight cannot be scheduled for more
than
14 hours of continuous duty



Section 14: Transfer to Non Flying or Supervisory Duty



Management/Supervisory pilot return
Will return to a vacancy as per Section 23
Previously, came back solely on seniority
Pilots who transfer between the training department and the line
Instructors awarded domiciles in accordance with seniority
Now paid according to their equipment and seat as per Section 23
Instructors will not appear on the bid roster for bidding a line when
assigned to the Training Department
Instructors that are not in the domicile for the entire bid, will not
be on the roster
Instructors returning to their domicile in the middle of a bid, will
be assigned reserve until entitled to bid a line


Section 15: Miscellaneous Flying



Dual qualifications
No dual qualifications required (aircraft)
Only for Supervisory pilots
Previously for training pilots






Section 16: Seniority



All reference to Mesa Airlines, now Mesa Air Group
Posting of Seniority List
Now on computer
Previously via bulletin board


Section 17: Furlough and Recall



Unlimited recall duration (previously 6 years)
Recall bypass rights
all junior pilots to furlough are recalled
at 12 months from date of furlough


Section 18: Grievances



Attempt to resolved issues with department supervisor


Section 19: Discipline and Discharge



No suspension will be without pay pending an investigation
Exception, an immediate FAA certificate action for safety issues


Section 20: System Bard of Adjustment



Language changed to current practice


Section 21: Agency Shop and Dues Check Off



Inclusion of ALPA PAC dues check off
Complete membership information provided monthly


Section 22: General



Commuter Policy
Crew lounge, language requiring cooperation between the company and
the Association


Section 23: Filing of Vacancies



Permanent Vacancy
more than 112 days (4 bid periods)
previously 120 days
Temporary Vacancy
14 to 112 days
Previously 14 to 120 days
Posting of temporary vacancy language
No less than 3 days
Previously 72 hours
Vacancies postings require a 10 day notice, previously 7 days
New submission of bid will be via:
Fax
Electronic
Certified Mail
Car mileage allowance rate while on TDY
CONUS
Previously, 0.20/mile
Equipment Commitments
18 months for Turboprop CA
36 months for Jet CA
TP F/O can only move to CA on same equipment or to CA on jet
ERJ pilot can move to CRJ (fleet combination)
CRJ CA can NOT move to ERJ, except for substitution/displacement
No seat locks
Pilots will be trained and qualified on all aircraft derivatives


Section 24: Insurance Benefits



After 24 months the Company will guarantee a 2% match on 401(K)


Section 25: Duration



54 months from date of signing
 
I guess Freedom now is "alright" for pilots coming in from the outside.. Are the "foundation" pilots from Freedom still going to be looked down upon and "black listed" for accepting employent prior to this contract being put into place.?

Doesn't look like too bad of a contract however I am sure the pay rates are not what most were looking for.

How does this compare to the Comair & ASA pay scales and bid system.?

3 5 0
 
Jury duty

This may sound like an extremely small point, but it may be against the law for companies to penalize people who have jury duty. Mesa would be doing that by charging vacation or sick time.
 
No bobby, I noticed that as well. Sick or vacation time for Jury duty. Thats horrible. Not only that but I love to read words in a contract like "the companies BEST EFFORTS". That and $1.50 will get you a nice cup of coffee. Im not flaming the Mesa guys at all, you all have my full support and I understand the fight you had with freedom I was just hoping that the bar would come up a bit. Good luck.

Oh and are we still keeping the freedom guys off the jumpseats? Or did you guys take care of that with an in house "blanket party"?
 
Alpa approved the TA now the pilots have to, thats a BIG HELL NO
Freedom Pilots were making more than us, MY opinion is JO won we lost due to our weak a$$ MEC. We just brought down the bar for all the other regionals

Also did you see this BS, seat locks We will be hiring around 600 pilots they all go to JEt Fo Yet Turbo props can only upgrade to1900 Capt. Vote NO

Equipment Commitments
18 months for Turboprop CA
36 months for Jet CA
TP F/O can only move to CA on same equipment or to CA on jet
ERJ pilot can move to CRJ (fleet combination)
CRJ CA can NOT move to ERJ,
 
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wonder of all wonders...

Johnny Lorenzornstein said take it or leave it. The leave it was the USAirways group willing to lease ALL 36 ERJ's at very good rates, to be flown by them. Furlough a boatload of pilots and spin off Freedumb Air and send all the growth their. What a guy, huh? I am still voting NO, as are most of my buds, then let the cards fall where they may. I would call it a public service.........
 
I hope the majority of Mesa pilots feel like you guys. JO's job is to bring growth tho Mesa and make sure its profitable. Mesa pilots are the lowest paid becouse JO has set the bar low for you guys. Its time you guys raise the bar, or makke him raise it. You guys deserve it!

If you want to get pissed at something, listen to the investers growth confrence here. http://customer.nvglb.com/RaymondJames/Airline/

Listen to Mesa and to other small jet providers. All you have to do is plug in your address and email, they won't call you or anything. This is very interesting listening.

Please guys don't fall into the managment "the sky is falling" routine.
 
That TA is a piece of shyt.

Those are abismal pay rates. Freedom guys will be taking a pay cut!

8 days off for a reserve holder?? YGBFSM!

$1.15 per diem!?!


Mesa pilots, tell them to piss off!
 
Five Bucks says Mesa will vote this piece of **it in. I say this because nowhere in Mesa's history has their pilot group ever been able to correlate their behaviour with the total degredation of the profession. They just want to fly those new shiny 70+ seat jets. That's all the compensation they require. So I say go ahead, fight for all the rj's you want. You will be making your own bed. If you endorse this contract, you deserve this contract. Bottom line.
 

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