Mesa windbreaker?

[Palomino]

anyone got a pic of this fine garment? i keep hearing about it and i'd like to see it.

 

[CA1900]

I looked a bit and couldn't find one, but take a look at this picture:

http://www.mesa-air.com/images/calendar_6_2005.jpg

The jacket's basically the color of purple that's on the tail of that airplane. It really does look like a bowling team jacket.

 

[Soverytired]

yoink

 

[Soverytired]

I looked a bit and couldn't find one, but take a look at this picture:

http://www.mesa-air.com/images/calendar_6_2005.jpg

The jacket's basically the color of purple that's on the tail of that airplane. It really does look like a bowling team jacket.

Uh, the PURPLE jacket? (aka, the "Barney" jacket) It was handed out with a new flashlight when JO came back to work the CEO spot when Risley left.

You gotta be kidding. That thing was handed out like 7 years ago when we had 99% 1900's and 3 or 5 CRJs. Most of the pilots here wouldn't even know what it is, much less have one.

THE ACTUAL JACKET IS a blue windbreaker with a small "Mesa Air Group" patch on the upper left breast.

And until 3 weeks ago, it was the official uniform, so I guess you'd be UNPROFESSIONAL if you DIDN'T wear it.

 

[FN FAL]

Mesa windbreaker?

What's the matter, don't a mesa pilot have a right to break wind?

 

[DirkkDiggler]

THE ACTUAL JACKET IS a blue windbreaker with a small "Mesa Air Group" patch on the upper left breast.

And until 3 weeks ago, it was the official uniform, so I guess you'd be UNPROFESSIONAL if you DIDN'T wear it.

I know a couple Mesa pilots, and I think you're misleading people here because while the silly golfing jacket is considered official uniform material, it is not the only option. Therefore, the people wearing it choose to wear it over the leather jacket option or the trenchcoat option.

 

[Soverytired]

I know a couple Mesa pilots, and I think you're misleading people here because while the silly golfing jacket is considered official uniform material, it is not the only option. Therefore, the people wearing it choose to wear it over the leather jacket option or the trenchcoat option.

My point, such as it was, is that it was (re:WAS) official uniform attire. As such, it was as professional as anything else. You don't choose the uniform, your company does.

The leather jacket and the trenchcoat are neither comfortable nor practical in PHX (re: HOT, HOT, HOT), a major hub of Mesa operations. Doubly so when we were mostly a 1900 operation with no place to store them.

Much ado about nothing, really. This forum board is wholly ANTI-MESA . . . not the company, but they (you) HATE THE PILOTS.

So I guess I'm gonna go cry now.

 

[regionaltard]

smell of broken wind
from the airline industry
could it be Mesa?

 

[IFlyFL410]

Speaking of dorky uniform attire, has anyone seen anyone wearing those Oakley pilot uniform shoes around? Someone had posted them on a thread here a while back.....anyone???

 

[Cardinal]

http://mesaair.hpidirect.net/DSN/mesaairhpinet/Commerce/ProductImages/main000057.jpg

Looks like this, but a cheap nylon instead of the polo pictured - about the same color. They don't sell the legendary windbreaker at the company store, they're reserved for the real San Juaners.

 

[goahead]

Yep, Mesa still SU_KS
This changes nothing

 

[spiffomatic]

Of course... you would have to be "unprofessional" if you did not wear the jacket and worked for mesa. kidding of course. i wouldn't be caught dead in something like that. why would you wear that?

**The real issue here is - what to make of a company that sanctions this highly stylish garment. how can you have a whole lot of respect for that sort of an organization???** It's as if mgmt is going out of their way to devalue their pilots, and the pilots who wear that garbage are happily complying.

all I know is, a few years back as a CFI, it's one of the only companies that - knowing what I knew about it then - I would have happily instructed forever rather than accept a job there. a fella's gotta have his standards you know.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

My point, such as it was, is that it was (re:WAS) official uniform attire. As such, it was as professional as anything else. You don't choose the uniform, your company does.

The leather jacket and the trenchcoat are neither comfortable nor practical in PHX (re: HOT, HOT, HOT), a major hub of Mesa operations. Doubly so when we were mostly a 1900 operation with no place to store them.

Much ado about nothing, really. This forum board is wholly ANTI-MESA . . . not the company, but they (you) HATE THE PILOTS.

So I guess I'm gonna go cry now.

America West pilots don't seem to have a jacket problem.

19 seat Jetstream and Beech pilots don't have a jacket problem.

Find a better arguement...

 

[Soverytired]

Ok, I Did set myself up for this stupid argument.

America West pilots don't seem to have a jacket problem.

19 seat Jetstream and Beech pilots don't have a jacket problem.

Find a better arguement...

Uh, last time I checked, America West planes are BIG, Have nice closets for the crews, and have functioning APU's (or ground based a/c carts).

It's not a "problem". But a jacket in PHX is impractical in first place: one that needs to be hung on a hangar to be kept looking nice is impossible in a 1900. And while the $400 leather jacket looks ok after being crumpled, not many guys want to stuff that in a filfthy cockpit corner.

I'm not saying that if I were designing uniforms, I'd pick a windbreaker. I'm saying it IS very, very, very practical when operating an aircraft with no crew closet space (or overhead bins, for that matter) in an airport that is routinely 110+ degrees in the shade.

The "right" uniform is . . . UNIFORM. All pilots must wear the same things. The same way. Mesa pilots don't. . . Mesa operates for Delta, USAir-America West (who have separate uniforms for now), and United, plus it's own op with the 1900's and soon to have another CRJ op in Hawaii.

I agree 100% that we need a single uniform. But let's face it . . . when you start your day in PHX flying for America West, get bumped to the United system on day 2, then get yanked off your line to plug a hole in the USAirways system . . . well, you kinda stop giving a crap.

<asswipe>

 

[DirkkDiggler]

Then how do you defend your compatriots that wear that ridiculous jacket in Dulles? I know for a fact that they never fly through Phoenix. Also, I'm from Phoenix and I can tell you that it's never hot enough there to temp anyone to wear something that they otherwise wouldn't wear because it's an embarrasing garment. We Phoenecians still take pride in our appearance despite the fact that we aren't the planet's foremost authorities on stylish jackets. The Mesa windbreaker is a joke and the only argument that holds even the tiniest bit of water is that it's the cheapest option when you guys are chosing your uniforms and the company doesn't pay you enough to buy the jacket that would make you look like the professionals you pretend to be.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

All this over a blue windbreaker.... I love this board.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Uh, last time I checked, America West planes are BIG, Have nice closets for the crews, and have functioning APU's (or ground based a/c carts).

It's not a "problem". But a jacket in PHX is impractical in first place: one that needs to be hung on a hangar to be kept looking nice is impossible in a 1900. And while the $400 leather jacket looks ok after being crumpled, not many guys want to stuff that in a filfthy cockpit corner.

I'm not saying that if I were designing uniforms, I'd pick a windbreaker. I'm saying it IS very, very, very practical when operating an aircraft with no crew closet space (or overhead bins, for that matter) in an airport that is routinely 110+ degrees in the shade.

The "right" uniform is . . . UNIFORM. All pilots must wear the same things. The same way. Mesa pilots don't. . . Mesa operates for Delta, USAir-America West (who have separate uniforms for now), and United, plus it's own op with the 1900's and soon to have another CRJ op in Hawaii.

I agree 100% that we need a single uniform. But let's face it . . . when you start your day in PHX flying for America West, get bumped to the United system on day 2, then get yanked off your line to plug a hole in the USAirways system . . . well, you kinda stop giving a shoot.

<asswipe>

Still looking.....for that arguement....

What do South FLA pilots do when they live in MIA and work in BOS? What do transoceanic pilots do when they live in one hemisphere and fly to another?

Your arguement is really about convienence. Professionals do not need to be baby-sat or policed. They are self starters who operate at a standard higher than published or provided.

It just goes to show that people are sheep. Mesa supplies a nylon POS uniform garmet and the pilots say..'ok, I'll wear it I guess'. Instead they should say, "no, as professional pilots we refuse to dumb down our image." That is a choice.

The rest of us take the time to wear the proper uniform and wear it properly. Quit coming up with outside environemental factors that make decisions for you. Make your choices from within. Be a man.

All this over a blue windbreaker.... I love this board.

The windbreaker is representative of professionalism and image.

 

[81Horse]

This is stoopid -- arguing about Mesa's windbreakers. Who cares? Personally, I'd like to see uniforms consist of Dockers (short or long, as preferred), polos, sweaters (as necessary), and ball caps (optional). We'd still be better dressed than 90% of the pax.

Let's argue about the dorky hats everybody else gets issued -- the ones that look like they belong on Muldoon from Car 54. So, hats: mandatory or optional? 'Cause mostly, they're just something you see guys carrying, not wearing. You know, just in case the uniform police show up.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

This is stoopid -- arguing about Mesa's windbreakers. Who cares? Personally, I'd like to see uniforms consist of Dockers (short or long, as preferred), polos, sweaters (as necessary), and ball caps (optional). We'd still be better dressed than 90% of the pax.

Again, allowing outside factors make our decsions. Are we that conditioned and programmed?


The thought process is....

What is everyone else doing? I need to know so that I can do it too..... Cause I don't want to stand out or be noticed.....

There is no central thought in the herd. Everyone does what the herd does...the herd is everyone, yet no one.....

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

First of all, its a company mandated, UNIFORM jacket. Next, I think it costs like what... $15. How much was that worthless blazer that makes us look of soooo professional?

Imagine a uniform jacket you can wad up and throw in your bag! I bet if Comair had that type of jax we'd all be screaming "I want to dress like the Comair guys! They only have to wear a jacket if they're cold and not because its the 6 month period from Oct-Mar." "How can we get that in our next contract?"

This is the longest thread about nothing I've ever participated in, its like a chain letter. We've got keep this thread going.

 

[DirkkDiggler]

First of all, its a company mandated, UNIFORM jacket.

Wrong. It's not mandated. It's one of several choices.

 

[spiffomatic]

it's really the sort of jacket one would wear if one were on a "really cool" team in bowling league.

those jackets are an embarrassment to the profession.

MESA - the UN-professionals

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

The windbreaker is representative of professionalism and image.

Choices, correct. What I meant was, its not like the company hasn't approved the jacket. It is an approved uniform item. Whether someone thinks it looks bad is immaterial because it is approved by the company as an alternative jacket.

I think Rez ought to resign where he/she/it is working now and go work at Mesa, then he/she/it can get on the Uniform committee and get this serious issue resolved before Mesa's windbreakers threaten the entire profession.

 

[Hootie9750]

All this over a blue windbreaker.... I love this board.

No sh!t!! While I would never work for mesa, the only thing about them that interests me is the option of not having to wear a stalker trenchcoat. Regionals shouldnt be allowed to make ANYONE wear a trenchcoat and hat unless they make more money than the shuttle van driver taking them to the layover.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Yup. Hootie gets it.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

And yet both your avatars say more...................

 

[IHateMgmt]

Will someone post a picture of one already!?

 

[Cardinal]

No sh!t!! While I would never work for mesa, the only thing about them that interests me is the option of not having to wear a stalker trenchcoat. Regionals shouldnt be allowed to make ANYONE wear a trenchcoat and hat unless they make more money than the shuttle van driver taking them to the layover.

Just as an aside to my fellow crewmembers the world over.....PLEASE don't show up in the hotel lobby wearing your trenchcoat over your overnight clothes. And please don't wear said trenchcoat into the restaurant/bar/house-of-ill-repute. It's not that cold, and if it is, bring a casual coat. The last thing I need is for some cop to pull me off the street cause it looks like you're concealing a Thompson SMG, and then conveniently discover that we're intoxicated in public, as well.

 

[Beantown]

It's as if mgmt is going out of their way to devalue their pilots, and the pilots who wear that garbage are happily complying.
.

I'm a Mesa CA and I couldn't agree more. -Bean

 

[Beantown]

Still looking.....for that arguement....

It just goes to show that people are sheep. Mesa supplies a nylon POS uniform garmet and the pilots say..'ok, I'll wear it I guess'. Instead they should say, "no, as professional pilots we refuse to dumb down our image." That is a choice..

Bingo again.

I do have to say, outside of PHX, only about 5% of Mesa pilots actually wear the windbreaker. In my 3 yrs at Mesa I have only flown with one pilot who had one. -Bean