Mesa Shrinkage - possibly the beginning of a trend

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PHOENIX, Sept. 11 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Mesa Air Group, Inc. today announced an agreement with United Airlines to replace eight 50 seat Bombardier CRJ-200 aircraft with two 66 seat Bombardier CRJ-700 aircraft. The two CRJ-700s will be added to Mesa's existing contract. The aircraft will enter service in the spring of 2008 and have a 10 year term.

"We are delighted to add larger, longer term aircraft to our fleet with United," said Mesa Chairman and CEO, Jonathan Ornstein. "We very much appreciate their confidence in Mesa and look forward to working with the United team."

Once the aircraft enter service in 2008, Mesa will operate a total of 22 CRJ-700 aircraft for United Express. These two new CRJ-700 aircraft are in addition to a previously announced order for 10 CRJ-700's which will progressively join the fleet beginning in 2008.
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[flyf15]

Where will the -200s be going? China?

 

[CoATP]

Ah so ... lest of pless lelease say yes.

 

[lowlycfi]

Where will the -200s be going? China?

Yep, if they can make it there. The first one only made it to Anchorage before it broke. Been sitting there almost a week.

 

[labbats]

Anchorage? What route do they take to China anyway? I'd have thought fuel bladders and a stop in Hawaii. At least Hawaii has that Go! debacle to fix and fuel them.

Also, if you read the full article, it looks like they lost 8 200s and picked up 2 700s. They recieve another 10 700s through 2008. That's actually and increase in planes if my math is correct.

Planes aren't worth much when you've got 40% annual turnover and a CEO pointing the finger everywhere when he should be using his thumb.

 

[Poahi]

Mesa claims 185 aircraft on its press releases, down from 200 about 2 months ago.

 

[sqwkvfr]

Mesa shrinkage?

Were they in the pool?

 

[jetpig32]

Mesa claims 185 aircraft on its press releases, down from 200 about 2 months ago.

11 Dash 8's out of JFK
Some CRJ's in China conformity

 

[Jbitzer]

Prob a couple 1900s leaving too.

 

[CesnaCaptn]

Anchorage? What route do they take to China anyway? I'd have thought fuel bladders and a stop in Hawaii. At least Hawaii has that Go! debacle to fix and fuel them.

The great circle route which is defined as the shortest distance between two points on the earth, isn't always as simple as flying directly east or west.

If you check out this site http://gc.kls2.com/ you will see that even a stop in ANC was out of the way depending on where the CRJ was flying from.

 

[labbats]

Seems we're arguing the same point. So why fly through Anchorage?

Even if Hawaii was out of the way, at least you've got an infrastructure capable of helping you out.

 

[A-Track]

My guess is ETOPS, can't go that far across the water.

 

[lowlycfi]

Seems we're arguing the same point. So why fly through Anchorage?

Even if Hawaii was out of the way, at least you've got an infrastructure capable of helping you out.

Actually there is no infrastructure in Hawaii. The GO! planes have to come back to the mainland for heavy maintenance. Regardless, INFRASTRUCTURE and MESA are two words that don't belong in the same sentence. As far as why the route to China that they chose went over Alaska and Russia, who knows. This is Mesa we're talking about. I'm sure the same dispatchers that would list CLT as an alternate for IAD when the weather in BWI was fine have something to do with it.

 

[RJAA]

Seems we're arguing the same point. So why fly through Anchorage?

Even if Hawaii was out of the way, at least you've got an infrastructure capable of helping you out.

It's pretty much the only way to get there. I hear that this new airline venture is out of Xian which is in central China. After Anchorage, probably stop in Magadan or Petropavlovsk in Russia and Beijing to get there. Hawaii would be so much out of the way. With CRJ's legs it would have to end up in Majuro and then Guam and it has to come up and stop in Japan to get there. Rediculously longer. If it's in Hong Kong it would be a different story.

 

[Inconceivable]

RJAA--

I thought that it was going to be out of Capital Beijing--big QOL difference if they are shipping you off to Xian!

The WASINC page shows apartments near the airport and links to rental pages--the only thing is that the example they use is supposedly "only $300 of your $1200 monthly allowance" but when you go the the actual page it is over 8000 Yuan, or close to $1000 a month. Whoops. I guess silly guizi aren't expected to know how to convert renminbi to dollars.

It appears with WASINC's new management, they are just as shifty at Mesa.

Still, if anyone knows what the proposed routes and destinations are I would be very interested.

 

[Poahi]

The CRJ wouldn't have the range to fly west bound out of Hawaii. Also, through ANC, no bladder tanks are required.

There are no ETOPS requirements for the CRJ since they are flown Part 91...

The airplane should be arriving in ZLXY (Xian) very soon.

Bombardier didn't like this plan one bit.

 

[CFI2766]

Bombardier didn't like this plan one bit.[/quote]

How do you mean? Didn't agree technically on the airplane being able to make the flight? Didn't think it could be maintained in China? Didn't want to lose new sales? What?

 

[Poahi]

They didn't like the routing. They recommended the Northern Atlantic route.

 

[EMB170Pilot]

Mesa shrinkage?

Were they in the pool?

HAHA!