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saviboy

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This is taken from aviationinterviews.com


Date of interview (year, month, day):



February 09, 2005
Date interview was submitted (year, month, day, time): February 11, 2005 Were you hired as a result of this interview? waiting to hear Total flight time: 275 PIC flight time: 200 PIC TURBINE flight time: 0 Instrument flight time: 40 Total multi engine flight time: 15 Did someone walk in your application/ resume? yes


this makes me sick of teaching S-turns and turning stalls.
"I TOLD YOU RIGHT RUDDER!!!"
 
What are you talking about?
 
The guy is flying a CRJ with 275 TT and 15 multi and I am sitting at 800' in my 172 and it makes me sick.
 
I am the fool? You are an idiot because you dont have any sense of humor whatsoever.

Stop wasting O2 and supress yourself
 
Ex-mil maybe? Not uncommon to get out of flight school with that kind of hours, is it?

H@ll ... I'm happy for the guy, regardless. Wish it was me. :)


Minh
 
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Hey Savi, you may want to sit back and know your role, you'll get there. You never know who is reading these boards.
 
TIGV said:
I feel like going new-hire ' plinking ' with my 3006, anyone wanna come ?

Count me in. I'll bring the suppressed MP-5, from my old days of working the 'jects.

These guys are everything that's wrong with the industry. "Wish it were me," How about actually learning to fly before climbing into an RJ.
 
Hey saviboy, If it makes you so sick why don't you apply to MESA!!! You seem qualified.
 
Snakum and Saviboy-

You should not be happy for this pilot. You should feel pity. Mesa is probably the worst 121 gig around. That guy is in for a seriously bad QOL for a long time. I hope things change for those guys. Talk to some of the guys that work there. It is not a fun place to be. I would leave the 121 world altogether if my only option was that outfit.
 
Over here at MDA many of the Capts are ex Mesa J4J capts from the CRJ. They have told me some funny, horrible and scary stories about flying with thoes guys and for Mesa. Before I flew with these guy I thought most of the Mesa bashing wasn't true. We'll guess I'll have to think diff now.
 
Probably....

That applicant is either B.S-ing or is most likely an MAPD (company owned flight school) graduate. Going through one of MAPD's programs is the ONLY way Mesa will even look at you with less than 1,000TT/100Multi. I know this from personal experience... even with letters of rec from Mesa chief pilots, couldn't get a file started. The second I met those requirements, I was interviewed and offered job.

Don't be too jealous at this point. I started ground school, and due to some company "restructuring" (selling off B1900 aircraft) new-hires were pulled from class and are now waiting to start again. Furloughed after one week... wowzers. Anyway, just be grateful for all that you're learning as a CFI. Im going back to instruct while I wait for class... will probably be good for me anyway.

Incidentally, in defense of the 250TT MAPD grads, the ones I have met in class were EXTREMELY sharp, and new the CRJ COLD! I was suprisingly impressed. You have to realize that it takes a lot of work to do ALL of your training (including first solo) in a Bonanza, plus these guys go through all the Mesa systems/sim training at MAPD. Good way to prepare... like having a dry-run at it. In their interviews, they have recite a ton of memory items for the CRJ, so if they don't know it, they blow it. Regardless, I TOO am jealous that I had to instruct for a long time and hung my ass out over the Grand Canyon in single-engine airplanes for 400 hours to build my time. But I learned so much doing it... and know there will always be room for learning. Things you learn today may save your life someday. Be thankful for these experiences! (as i remind myself to do the same).

Best of luck!
 
N4niner206 said:
...and due to some company "restructuring" (selling off B1900 aircraft) new-hires were pulled from class...

When did mesa sell off there 1900's? Are they not doing EAS routes in AZ any more?
 
Over the last couple months, Mesa has sold of several of their B1900s from the Air Midwest division. The entire Florida system is shut down, as well as some other areas. The only remaining B1900s in the system are on EAS routes, to the best of my knowledge. Rumor is that MAG wants to sell off Air Midwest completely, but that might be JUST rumor. I think approxmiately half of the B1900s have been sold so far. Not sure if / why MAG would sell off the ones on EAS, as those are almost guarenteed profit.

As it stands, the recruiter is telling us that it will probably be mid- to late-March before another new-hire class... possibly April. Funny thing is, I was in a CRJ class and (as absurd as this sound) I'm DYING to fly a B1900!!! Once I get more "recent" flight experience (spent too much time waiting for class as the dates were pushed and pushed) while I wait, I want to apply somewhere where I'll be able to fly Saabs or B1900s. If only I had known this would happen a couple months ago! ;-)
 
Don't envy that guy. You are better off instructing until you can build enough time to apply elsewhere. I have nothing against Mesa's pilot group, but it seems that their management is among the worst in the industry. I too know guys at my company that have flown there and have heard the stories. There are definitely better alternatives out there if you are patient and persistant. Personally I flew corporate for several years after instructing. Get to know some of the local flight departments on your airport, and try offering your services to them. Insurance requirements make it tough anymore, but it still can't hurt to try. Once you've built a little multi time doing part time corporate gigs, then apply to a more reputable airline where you can enjoy the experience. If you pay your dues and research a bit, you'll be much better off than jumping into the first shady outfit that will hire you. Thats my 2 cents.
 
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I don't know what to think. Some days I wish i would have drank more in college so that I would not have gotten hired at better paying, better QOL airlines. Everytime i do the the stinking bottom sucking airlines take my job out from under me. If I had just done what they are doing I would have been wearing a fourth stripe a long time ago.
 
DASHDRIVER said:
I don't know what to think. Some days I wish i would have drank more in college so that I would not have gotten hired at better paying, better QOL airlines. Everytime i do the the stinking bottom sucking airlines take my job out from under me. If I had just done what they are doing I would have been wearing a fourth stripe a long time ago.

Was that meant as a malicious attack on all Mesa pilots? I did not drink/waste my college education... left with three degrees (including a MS) and graduated with honors. It doesn't seem fair to make this kind of attack. We're all trying to make it.
 
Made fun of? Was more of an attack. Maybe its just me, but I dont think its necessary. Because of the company someone accepts employment from, its not fair to lable that person a lazy drunk. Arrogance AND ignorance run thick in this industry... one problem that will never be solved.
 
Pilot

Pilot: Noticed that you have B1900 and SF340 experience... two planes at the top of my list that I'd like to fly before they become "obsolete". Are you with Colgan... or who? And wherever you are, what's the hiring like? I'm looking... just wondered.
 
Not trying to be a jackass..but am I understanding correctly that you are seeking a job based solely on what aircraft you will be flying? I mean...c'mon. Back in High School I thought that certain airplanes were "cool", but when you get to a professional level its not about aircraft type, its about the quality of company you will be working for and your own qualtity of life. Wanting to fly for an outfit like Mesa or Colgan just so you can fly a certain airplane seems a bit ridiculous to me. People who work at these companies are doing so until they can build what they need to move on...not because they care about the fleet type. Whatever floats your boat though.
 
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Yes, you are mistaken. I did not chose Mesa because of aircraft. I dont even fly for Mesa. I have a class date if I chose to accept it, for the CRJ. I was asking another member who he flew for, because I was interested by the turboprop aircraft he had experience in. Just wondered who he flew for and what their status was. People look way too far into things.

Also, as far as aircraft go... I dont think its so uncommon that people would make a final decision base on the equipment they'd fly. For example, maybe I think I'd learn more early on in my career by going to (hand) fly a B1900 than going straight to a CRJ. You can say thats stupid, but it seems pretty legit to me. There ARE still people in this business that want to be pilots because they like to FLY, not just because they want to work for XYZ company or because so-and-so pays a certain amount.

What I don't get is why everyone is so quick to criticize on these message boards? My comment earlier was not saying that I "LIKE" Mesa... I don't have any experience with them, so I can't make that call. But even if you don't like a company or their management, it doesnt seem necessary to write their pilots off as losers. Just my opinion.
 
N4niner206 said:
Yes, you are mistaken. I did not chose Mesa because of aircraft. I dont even fly for Mesa. I have a class date if I chose to accept it, for the CRJ. I was asking another member who he flew for, because I was interested by the turboprop aircraft he had experience in. Just wondered who he flew for and what their status was. People look way too far into things.

Also, as far as aircraft go... I dont think its so uncommon that people would make a final decision base on the equipment they'd fly. For example, maybe I think I'd learn more early on in my career by going to (hand) fly a B1900 than going straight to a CRJ. You can say thats stupid, but it seems pretty legit to me. There ARE still people in this business that want to be pilots because they like to FLY, not just because they want to work for XYZ company or because so-and-so pays a certain amount.

What I don't get is why everyone is so quick to criticize on these message boards? My comment earlier was not saying that I "LIKE" Mesa... I don't have any experience with them, so I can't make that call. But even if you don't like a company or their management, it doesnt seem necessary to write their pilots off as losers. Just my opinion.

A lot of the anger/animosity against Mesa/CHQ and to some extent Skywest is because these places (contract carriers) take flying and thus jobs away from the companies they contract for. It seems in a time when there are pilots out on the street that their own company shouldn't be outsourcing there flying to another company. Enter the jets for jobs enigma. I see a lot of captains make rude comments to Mesa pilots and such, hear a lot of bithcing about them, etc. But then you have someplace like Air Wisky where everyone seems to think is the meca of regional airline flying, but they too are a contract carrier, albeit for one airline, soon to be two, maybe.

Don't get me wrong I'm not bashing any of these companies or their pilots, everyone wants a job and I don't feel anyone should degrade or look down upon someone for making a choice. Everyone has their reasons for going somewhere and thats all it is, THEIR REASONS! It's dynamic, what may be the whipping dog today, may be top dog tomorrow, you never know.

There are pros and cons to going to every airline. Some may have higher pay scales but what kind of pay protection do you have? ASA may pay more per hour but what kind of per leg or per day pay protection do you get vs someplace like Piedmont that pays a little less but has per leg pay protection. American Eagle may have more days off and better lines but would you go there and be based somewhere like Dallas, or San Juan if you live in Richmond VA and have a chance to fly for CHQ?

It's all about perspective and what is important to the individual. I chose my current job and my next one, because of where I can live, pay and QOL where 2nd and 3rd, benefits 4th, etc. Someone elses might put pay before where they can live, etc etc.

MESA may seem like a bad choice to you, but to someone else it may be a perfect fit. Sure MESA's QOL and such are below industry standards but to some it doesn't matter. To hold those who choose MESA responsible for the dire state of the industry is unfair, thats like blaming a butterfly that flaps its wings in Japan for the hurricane in FL. It is each individual airlines MEC and rank and file to stand up and maintain there own QOL and pay standards and not use or let mgmt use other contracts as a measuring stick.
 
Well said DC8. Also, N4niner206, I love to fly just as much as the next guy. Love to fly or not, choosing which company to work for isn't an emotional decision. Our emotional love of flying is one of the reasons our profession has deteriorated as it has already. Pay and QOL are important, and I can't imagine why anything else would be more important to you when looking for a job. What makes you "like" Mesa exactly? I have friends that have worked there, and none of them think highly of the place at all. In any case, do as you wish, it just bugs me to see people make emotional decisions instead of practical ones.
 
N4niner206 said:
the ONLY way Mesa will even look at you with less than 1,000TT/100Multi. I know this from personal experience... even with letters of rec from Mesa chief pilots, couldn't get a file started. The second I met those requirements, I was interviewed and offered job.

I TOO am jealous that I had to instruct for a long time....

Let me get this straight... With 1000-1200TT, you are unhappy that you had to "instruct for a long time"?

Perhaps I am missing something here...
 
niner,

you do not want to be a beech fo at amw.....trust me. pm me if you want and i can give you the skinny and give you the junior most FO's phone number. he'll explain to you to take the CRJ in a heartbeat. besides, who says you can't hand fly the crj?
 

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