Mesa/go Getting Bigger Aircraft

[RJP]

This was from yesterday's paper.

http://starbulletin.com/print/2005.php?fr=/2006/07/15/news/story02.html

Jonathan Ornstein, chairman and chief executive of Mesa, said Mesa plans to order "in the next month or so" eight to 12 larger planes for its Hawaii business, with delivery as early as next year. He plans to replace go!'s five-plane fleet of 50-seat Bombardier CRJ 200s with either 90-seat CRJ 900s or Embraer 195s that seat up to 116 passengers.

So JO's gonna go bigger to try to kill AQ/HA.

Anyone at Mesa heard the rumor about sending DHC-8s to Hawaii yet?

 

[Z_Pilot]

These a/c are most likely coming from the USAirways system as PSA replaces Mesa with the 90 seat a/c in CLT.

 

[zman]

thank god let the regionals grow

 

[sflax]

JO wanting 190's 100%, JO getting a 190 w/union approval 0%. Not going to happen.

 

[PropPiedmont]

JO wanting 190's 100%, JO getting a 190 w/union approval 0%. Not going to happen.

Time to start another alter-ego.

What will he call this one?

 

[Freight Dog]

I'm willing to bet we'll see another merger attempt between Aloha and Hawaiian... especially in light of Mesa coming over to try to kill both carriers.

 

[FlickerFade]

We've got an injunction hearing for August 7th to answer first. With that and the gO website keyword loading, this battle is still going. No winner or loser yet.

As much as I want AQ around, it seems that AQ has a lot less to offer than during the "merger of equals" days. A merger also might guarantee gO staying around.

 

[belchfire]

thank god let the regionals grow

Only if they get payscales for the size of A/C they are operating. Otherwise the heck with them!

 

[michael707767]

I'm pretty sure the same scope provision in the Delta pilots contract which meant Independence had to stop being a DCI carrier would also prevent Mesa from being a DCI carrier if they operate an aircraft certified for more than 106 seats.

 

[slackass]

That is why all Mesa Air Group Delta Connection flying is done under the Freedom certificate. Nothing larger than 50 seats on Freedom. 900's are on the Mesa ceterficate as will be anything larger.

Mesa Air Group=

Mesa: ERJ 145, CRJ 200, 700, 900, DHC-8 United Express, US Airways Express, GO!

Freedom: ERJ 145, DHC-8 Delta Connection

Midwest: BE 1900 Mesa Airlines

 

[dash8driver]

thank god let the regionals grow

hahah..thats funny...



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[zman]

i love would go over and fly those 195's and i am proud to work with my company to see it grow. I hate when i see fellow mesa pilots not support our CEO.

 

[FlickerFade]

i love would go over and fly those 195's and i am proud to work with my company to see it grow. I hate when i see fellow mesa pilots not support our CEO.

haha, THAT'S funny........... and a bit sick, considering the damage gO! is potentially doing to other pilot's livelihoods.

 

[dash8driver]

i love would go over and fly those 195's and i am proud to work with my company to see it grow. I hate when i see fellow mesa pilots not support our CEO.

do you swallow too?



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[ex j-41]

i love would go over and fly those 195's and i am proud to work with my company to see it grow. I hate when i see fellow mesa pilots not support our CEO.

Can you still pass a drug test thinking like that?

 

[TCBKING]

i love would go over and fly those 195's and i am proud to work with my company to see it grow. I hate when i see fellow mesa pilots not support our CEO.

He is Flaming. Dont be so Naive.

 

[OPECJet]

I'm surprised he can get through his medical....

 

[Stifler's Mom]

He is Flaming. Dont be so Naive.

And he did such a poor job at it too. He gets zero creativity points for that one. Boooooring.

 

[SpacemanSpiff]

US Airways scope question

That is why all Mesa Air Group Delta Connection flying is done under the Freedom certificate. Nothing larger than 50 seats on Freedom. 900's are on the Mesa ceterficate as will be anything larger.

Mesa Air Group=

Mesa: ERJ 145, CRJ 200, 700, 900, DHC-8 United Express, US Airways Express, GO!

Freedom: ERJ 145, DHC-8 Delta Connection

Midwest: BE 1900 Mesa Airlines

Does anybody know more details about the scope limitations that are in the US Airways pilots contract? Would their scope prevent MAG from operating larger aircraft on the Mesa certificate - even if it is not connected with US Airways, and also not in competition with them?

 

[RJP]

Does anybody know more details about the scope limitations that are in the US Airways pilots contract? Would their scope prevent MAG from operating larger aircraft on the Mesa certificate - even if it is not connected with US Airways, and also not in competition with them?

Looks like somebody's got a twinkle in his eye. A new case of 'bigger and better SJS'.......

 

[islandhopper]

so how many Hawaiian pilots will go to court on August 7th and show their support for shipping off JO?

 

[USCtrojan]

Mesa

When I looked at airlinepilotcentral.com, it shows Mesa's contract amendable March 2007. If that's the case, it does not surprise me on the timing of this whole thing. "Hey guys, we'll get 116 seat aircraft if you take a paycut...." I hope the pilot group says "NO" to this. Regardless of the threats that will follow. Good luck guys.

Trojan

 

[michael707767]

That is why all Mesa Air Group Delta Connection flying is done under the Freedom certificate. Nothing larger than 50 seats on Freedom. 900's are on the Mesa ceterficate as will be anything larger.

Mesa Air Group=

Mesa: ERJ 145, CRJ 200, 700, 900, DHC-8 United Express, US Airways Express, GO!

Freedom: ERJ 145, DHC-8 Delta Connection

Midwest: BE 1900 Mesa Airlines

If you look at the Delta contract you will see the set up above will not get around the scope. The issue is not the certificate the airplane operates under, the issue is control. As long as Mesa controls all the seperate certificates, they all still fall under the definition of an "affiliate".

A 190 would be ok under the contract, the 195 is not. My bet is the article got it wrong and Mesa is looking at the 190, not the 195. Think about it, why would the choice be a 90 seat CRJ-900 or a 116 seat E-195? Big gap between the two. More likely they are deciding between the -900 and -190.

 

[Soverytired]

When I looked at airlinepilotcentral.com, it shows Mesa's contract amendable March 2007. If that's the case, it does not surprise me on the timing of this whole thing. "Hey guys, we'll get 116 seat aircraft if you take a paycut...." I hope the pilot group says "NO" to this. Regardless of the threats that will follow. Good luck guys.

Trojan

Count on it. This is going to be a LONG contact fight (4 years, minimum), probably ending up with the big "S". Nobody, and I mean NOBODY could give a rats a** about Go! or 4 or 5 E-195's coming on property in a domicile that's terminally expensive to live in. Even the newbies with SJS aren't going to bite . . . .last time the pilot group was "offered" 737 rates, the FO's were offered . . . exactly what they get paid for flying a CRJ-50! Whoopie!



Heh.

(Although I hope I'm not here to see it, I will find it highly amusing to watch all you flightinfo-Mesa-bashing guys having to shovel over a special assesment to tide me over during any strike (guys in ALPA carriers, anyway).)

 

[USCtrojan]

Mesa

Count on it. This is going to be a LONG contact fight (4 years, minimum), probably ending up with the big "S". Nobody, and I mean NOBODY could give a rats a** about Go! or 4 or 5 E-195's coming on property in a domicile that's terminally expensive to live in. Even the newbies with SJS aren't going to bite . . . .last time the pilot group was "offered" 737 rates, the FO's were offered . . . exactly what they get paid for flying a CRJ-50! Whoopie!


SoVeryTired,

Good luck. I hope Mesa fights and wins back their respect. I hope you all know what's coming. "We're gonna grow over here at your expense..." "Mesa will liquidate without the paycut...." "We can't compete in our current industry..." It's all coming, mark my words! All the tactics are the same, it's only different because it hits your pilot group. Playbook remains the same. The junior guys will be chicken little. The senior pilots will say no way (generally speaking.) There will be all sorts of ugliness as Mngmt issues statements to other employee groups (FA's, mechanics, etc) stating, "Your pilots will put us of business because they won't take a paycut...." Know it's coming and get the word out early it's coming. Good luck guys!

Trojan

 

[thebest]

Don't worry...everything will work out fine.....the are alpa! THEBEST

 

[CX880]

You guys seem to forget that life is very expensive in Hawaii. All the fighting for better pay for the 900 or the 195 will do is make you able to afford the quality soft toilet paper instead of the usual sand paper ones you guys get. If MESA was going to fly the 100 seaters in the states, then I would do something about it but at the island it's a lost cause.

 

[plucky]

Count on it. This is going to be a LONG contact fight (4 years, minimum), probably ending up with the big "S". Nobody, and I mean NOBODY could give a rats a** about Go! or 4 or 5 E-195's coming on property in a domicile that's terminally expensive to live in. Even the newbies with SJS aren't going to bite . . . .last time the pilot group was "offered" 737 rates, the FO's were offered . . . exactly what they get paid for flying a CRJ-50! Whoopie!


SoVeryTired,

Good luck. I hope Mesa fights and wins back their respect. I hope you all know what's coming. "We're gonna grow over here at your expense..." "Mesa will liquidate without the paycut...." "We can't compete in our current industry..." It's all coming, mark my words! All the tactics are the same, it's only different because it hits your pilot group. Playbook remains the same. The junior guys will be chicken little. The senior pilots will say no way (generally speaking.) There will be all sorts of ugliness as Mngmt issues statements to other employee groups (FA's, mechanics, etc) stating, "Your pilots will put us of business because they won't take a paycut...." Know it's coming and get the word out early it's coming. Good luck guys!

Trojan

Trojan,

If your not goin to Kona 140.6 for lack of training I can see why. Not enough time on the bike and too much time on the Computer.

 

[USCtrojan]

Lmao

Trojan,

If your not goin to Kona 140.6 for lack of training I can see why. Not enough time on the bike and too much time on the Computer.

No, sadly I'm not going to Kona. I couldn't qualify right now if I wanted to. I got to get my training legs underneath me. Maybe someday when I get rid of my College Football habit!

Trojan

 

[RJP]

If MESA was going to fly the 100 seaters in the states, then I would do something about it but at the island it's a lost cause.

So you're not a geography teacher in your spare time?