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ATTENTION PILOTS!
FAQ: What are your pilot position requirements?
Mesa's Answer: 1000 hours total flight time, 100 multi-engine, Commercial License with Multi-Engine and Instrument Rating, Current FAA First Class medical and Legal right to work in the United States
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The above is from there website- I may have jumped the gun on the previous post, I am not completely sure that they are hiring although the information that I have gotten is that they are "suppose" to be hiring off the street in the very near furture- I think they have to get all the CC guys through as well as those who have completed the MAPD before outside hiring kicks in again... Can anyone verify or deny this???
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FAQ: What are your pilot position requirements?
Mesa's Answer: 1000 hours total flight time, 100 multi-engine, Commercial License with Multi-Engine and Instrument Rating, Current FAA First Class medical and Legal right to work in the United States
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The above is from there website- I may have jumped the gun on the previous post, I am not completely sure that they are hiring although the information that I have gotten is that they are "suppose" to be hiring off the street in the very near furture- I think they have to get all the CC guys through as well as those who have completed the MAPD before outside hiring kicks in again... Can anyone verify or deny this???
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Ah, is Mesa hiring?
Well, here's the deal.
Mesa has about 70 guys in their pool, and has not had a newhire class since prior to 9/11/01 (Freedom hired and GS'd about 50 guys b/t 11/02 and 1/03, which accounts for all newhire growth in the Mesa Air Group system). Mesa's 70 guys compromise about 20 San Juaner's who passed on Freedom GS's and 50 new hires from interviews in Feb & March 2003. Those 50 include about 25 San Juaners, 10 San Juan instructors, and 15 street guys (street guys are mainly furloughees and other 121 pilots, though I'm sure there's 3-4 street CFI's too.)
On March 4th, Lori Clark (Mesa HR) wrote:
"There are no other interviews scheduled beyond next Thursday,
the 13th. Now before you get all up in arms, it's just because we're playing conservatively until the TA is ratified.
We want to be prepared for upcoming ground schools so we are establishing a pool(approx. 24 as of 2/21/03), which is why we had two interviews recently.
Before we go hog-wild with the numbers in that pool we need to wait for the ratification vote in a few weeks."
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The company has yet contact anyone in the pool as of May 1st. Mesa has to do J4J training as well as training for the CC Air guys who are back. Approx. 60 CC Air guys have yet to go to GS. Some want to stay in CLT and are willing to wait for positions there on the ERJ as CA. Others want to get back to work and are willing to bid CRJ FO and possibly get sent to PHX.
There are about 30-40 San Juaners and about 8 San Juan instructors waiting to interview. It looks as if Mesa prefers to have about 25% of their interview slots go to the street when they have a backlog of San Juaners. As soon as you hear info on new GS's for NEWHIRES (not CC Air guys), I'd start hanging out by the phone for the call. Competitive street guys have had prior 121 time since 9/11, but if you know the right people (like Jet_Dreamer?), anything can happen.
Mesa's growing (for a variety of reasons) and it is only a matter of time before they have to go to the pool and then refill it, so hang tight.
I do not work for Mesa HR and am merely making educated guesses as to all #'s. Officially, Mesa is NOT hiring. However, you can try to figure out based on the info when that might change. My personal guess? Next interview in June or July.
-Boo
Well, here's the deal.
Mesa has about 70 guys in their pool, and has not had a newhire class since prior to 9/11/01 (Freedom hired and GS'd about 50 guys b/t 11/02 and 1/03, which accounts for all newhire growth in the Mesa Air Group system). Mesa's 70 guys compromise about 20 San Juaner's who passed on Freedom GS's and 50 new hires from interviews in Feb & March 2003. Those 50 include about 25 San Juaners, 10 San Juan instructors, and 15 street guys (street guys are mainly furloughees and other 121 pilots, though I'm sure there's 3-4 street CFI's too.)
On March 4th, Lori Clark (Mesa HR) wrote:
"There are no other interviews scheduled beyond next Thursday,
the 13th. Now before you get all up in arms, it's just because we're playing conservatively until the TA is ratified.
We want to be prepared for upcoming ground schools so we are establishing a pool(approx. 24 as of 2/21/03), which is why we had two interviews recently.
Before we go hog-wild with the numbers in that pool we need to wait for the ratification vote in a few weeks."
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The company has yet contact anyone in the pool as of May 1st. Mesa has to do J4J training as well as training for the CC Air guys who are back. Approx. 60 CC Air guys have yet to go to GS. Some want to stay in CLT and are willing to wait for positions there on the ERJ as CA. Others want to get back to work and are willing to bid CRJ FO and possibly get sent to PHX.
There are about 30-40 San Juaners and about 8 San Juan instructors waiting to interview. It looks as if Mesa prefers to have about 25% of their interview slots go to the street when they have a backlog of San Juaners. As soon as you hear info on new GS's for NEWHIRES (not CC Air guys), I'd start hanging out by the phone for the call. Competitive street guys have had prior 121 time since 9/11, but if you know the right people (like Jet_Dreamer?), anything can happen.
Mesa's growing (for a variety of reasons) and it is only a matter of time before they have to go to the pool and then refill it, so hang tight.
I do not work for Mesa HR and am merely making educated guesses as to all #'s. Officially, Mesa is NOT hiring. However, you can try to figure out based on the info when that might change. My personal guess? Next interview in June or July.
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Mesa quals - or lack thereof?
Don't be fooled by the low mins. Mesa has had 1000 total-100 multi for at least fifteen years. That's when I first started applying to them. At that time I had something like 900 total and 50 of multi. In those days there was a major hiring boom, so I thought I might sneak in. No way. I kept getting postcards back from Nancy Martinez telling me that I was below mins.
I finally got an interview with Mesa in the fall of 1990. At that time I had about 3000 total and maybe 650 of multi. Except for MAPD and PACE grads, and MAPD instructors, I'd bet anything that street hires need a minimum of 2000 total and 500 of multi and an ATP.
Hope that provides some clarification. Good luck with your job search.
Don't be fooled by the low mins. Mesa has had 1000 total-100 multi for at least fifteen years. That's when I first started applying to them. At that time I had something like 900 total and 50 of multi. In those days there was a major hiring boom, so I thought I might sneak in. No way. I kept getting postcards back from Nancy Martinez telling me that I was below mins.
I finally got an interview with Mesa in the fall of 1990. At that time I had about 3000 total and maybe 650 of multi. Except for MAPD and PACE grads, and MAPD instructors, I'd bet anything that street hires need a minimum of 2000 total and 500 of multi and an ATP.
Hope that provides some clarification. Good luck with your job search.
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Did ANYONE read these comments? How many mainline furloughees and guys flying 121 do you know with only 1000 TT and 100 multi? Come on, people . . .
In other news, someone from Mesa told me that there was a newhire class in Oct. 2002. Know that this was merely a re-call of guys who were in GS BEFORE 9/11/01, not a new class. I also read that there's a rumor guys got called from the pool today and that there may be a Dash class this month.
No missed or delayed deliveries of jets, no guys on furlough, feeder for 4 carriers (diversified) . . . things are looking ok at Mesa.
-Boo
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Maybe, maybe not. Mathimatically Mesa is doing well at the moment, but there's more to it then just numbers...
Mesa has a habit of providing lousy service to it's contractors. Frontier is disappointed with Mesa's performance so far, which is bad on an almost legendary scale. US Air can't get rid of them so easily, and I honestly don't know what the deal is between Mesa and America West, except to say that Freedom did a good amount of their express flying.
Add to this a workforce who's displeasure with the company ranges from annoyed to postal, a union that takes a passive at best interest in the pilot group's well being, a dispatcher group that might as well get paid in Italian Lira (it would at least make the numbers APPEAR livable), and a management who's attitude towards unrest is either "if you don't like it, grieve it" and/or "there's the door, don't let it hit you on the way out", and you've got a workforce that couldn't care less about the overall product they're providing.
Don't get me wrong, there are a bunch of fine people working for MAG. I know a bunch of them. Lori is top notch and on the level with everyone. There are just a few key people in that organization who can't seem to figure out that beating your employees into submission doesn't work, and unfortunately it only takes one bandmember hitting the wrong notes to completely screw up a performance. Especially when that bandmember is the lead singer.
P.
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pljenkins said:
Mesa and Frontier are currently in discussions for Mesa to expand its role with them, and Frontier just switched to a revenue guarantee with Mesa just to keep them (Mesa was gonna' pull out of the Frontier feed b/c of the unprofitable arrangement they originally had. The CRJ's could have been more profitable elsewhere.).
Freedom had 4 jets (maybe 5) total before they were reabsorbed. They now have 8-9 on the Freedom certificate (all the 700's and the new 900). The idea that "Freedom did a good amount of [HP's] express flying" with 5 jets . . . do you really belive that?
UAL just added Mesa as a feeder, and ME has approached Mesa to expand their relationship too.
Alot of this may be due to Mesa having lower overall costs than their competition (yeah, the pilot contract is part of that reason, Palerider), but if Mesa " has a habit of providing lousy service " then why do companies continue to increase their relationship with them?
The happiness of the employees is a different story. Many pilots, though they ratified the TA, are still unhappy with it. ALPA didn't serve Mesa well in the last negotions, but at least they aren't doing to Mesa what they're doing over at Eagle (nothing!). I wouldn't say Mesa's employees are any more disgruntled than any other airline employees right now (other than B9 and WN). People are more vocal when they complain then when they compliment, that's just reality.
PLJ, what you say may be true, but the actions of the marketplace don't seem to support your assertions. I'd guess that you know some of Mesa's dispatchers. They should be unhappy people, as they continually make the pilots miserable. I don't know anyone who likes the dispatchers (including the dispatchers themselves. Turnover there is like 400%).
As for JO, it's a love/ hate thing. He is a great businessman (though one with a storied past), very savy. Unfortunately, he has no problem with using the same agressive tactics on his own employees in negotiations, as the pilots recently found out. He's a good guy to have on your side, it's just unfortunate he's not always on your side. He's growing Mesa like a weed, but he's not making many friends doing it, even some within his own company.
Mesa's got its problems, but so does everyone else. The 'dream job' of flying shiny jets isn't as dreamy as one might think, regardless of what company you fly for. It's all in the attitude YOU bring to work.
So, like I said, "Mesa's doing ok".
-Boo!
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I personally don't like the Mesa bashing, so I will explain my viewpoint:
A few years ago I worked for Mesa, sitting behind a desk. I really enjoyed that job. The people I worked with were great and I never had any major problems there. Of course the pay really did suck, but I used my flight bennies every chance I got. Anyhow, I quit and went to flight school. Now I'm a CFI and not flying. Makes me almost wish I still had that job at Mesa. My point is the company as a whole is not bad. I understand some of the issues people have with them, but there is 2 sides to every story. In my opinion the most unappreciated and verbal group of employees at Mesa is the pilots. As whole it's a good solid company, but hey that's my view, like it or not!!!!!
ps- I was sort of erked when I got my puny paycheck and then got a xmas card in the mail with JO standing in front of his Fouga(I think that's how it's spelled)!!!!!!!!!!
A few years ago I worked for Mesa, sitting behind a desk. I really enjoyed that job. The people I worked with were great and I never had any major problems there. Of course the pay really did suck, but I used my flight bennies every chance I got. Anyhow, I quit and went to flight school. Now I'm a CFI and not flying. Makes me almost wish I still had that job at Mesa. My point is the company as a whole is not bad. I understand some of the issues people have with them, but there is 2 sides to every story. In my opinion the most unappreciated and verbal group of employees at Mesa is the pilots. As whole it's a good solid company, but hey that's my view, like it or not!!!!!
ps- I was sort of erked when I got my puny paycheck and then got a xmas card in the mail with JO standing in front of his Fouga(I think that's how it's spelled)!!!!!!!!!!
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Well Im glad you enjoyed working for them but you were behind a desk. I havent heard many good comments about Mesa from any of there pilots. I was gunho Mesa back a few years ago because all i really wanted to do was fly jets and be based in PHX. Jets may be fun but I know im worth a hell of alot more then what they are willing to pay and it doesn't seem like management has it all together. I don't know all the hard facts, I try not to get involved in the 121 spectrum of flying nowadays, but from previous information, sounds like mesa is a bad company to fly for.
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