Mesa Air Group Informational Picketing Scheduled

[Otto Coarsen]

I know there are probably few MAG pilots who visit this site who do not also visit the mesalounge.com site, but if you are out there, this message is for you!

On Tuesday February 8th, informational picketing WILL be taking place, rain or shine in Phoenix in conjunction with the M.A.G. stockholders meeting. This is our opportunity to make our voices heard! Enough is Enough! Contract compliance must begin immeadiately.

Much of Mesa's success rests on the backs of us, the pilot group. It is time we stand together, unified, and let everyone know that the company is not living up to their signature on the bottom of our CBA.

Mesa pilots, contact our MEC office for complete details. Accomodations will be provided for non-local pilots supporting the event. The time is now!

According to all MEC correspondence, this event WILL GO ON AS PLANNED!

 

[crashpad]

Can I come, too? I've always enjoyed the circus.

 

[Rottweiller]

Can I come, too? I've always enjoyed the circus.

Yeah can I come to so I can tell them how MAG have lowered the bar constantly, taken money from me by their low balling, the list goes on and on.

Suggest you STFU and live with what you have created and turned the rgional sector into!!

 

[DoinTime]

On Tuesday February 8th, informational picketing WILL be taking place, rain or shine in Phoenix in conjunction with the M.A.G. stockholders meeting.

Rain? in Phoenix? in February? you have got to be kidding me.

 

[mckpickle]

I really really want to support you guys. I know what a cokcsucker JO is, but I just can't get over the fact that you allowed it to happen to yourselves. When you signed that POS contract in JO knew you had no balls. What did you expect.

 

[Otto Coarsen]

Unbelievable how rediculously low your maturity and intelligence levels are. This post was about standing up for what is ours. Our current CBA is awful and we know it. I wasn't here when it was voted on, and neither were approximately 600 others currently employed.

The thing is, it's all we have. Though weak in many ways, it still is regularly not being complied with by management. This is an effort to stand up for ourselves. Unified. One of the reasons we have a pilots union to begin with.

How can you slander another ALPA carrier's efforts to make right something horribly wrong? Your anger is misdirected my friend. Why would you take something like this and turn it into some sort of slam bash fest? Your comments are so irrelevant, it's doubtful you posess the maturity to represent any airline as a professional.

 

[Otto Coarsen]

I really really want to support you guys. I know what a cokcsucker JO is, but I just can't get over the fact that you allowed it to happen to yourselves. When you signed that POS contract in JO knew you had no balls. What did you expect.

McPickle, the point of this isn't the quality (or lack thereof) of our contract. The fact of the matter is that it isn't being complied with far too often.

If we had an industry leading contract and it wasn't being complied with, what good would it be doing us? NONE!

The first step at this point is to show our strength in an effort to curb the disregard for our CBA. Later we can build off of this strength and negociate a better CBA. This show of unity is a very positive step in the right direction for this pilot group. How can anyone discredit that as a bad thing?

 

[jjetpilot]

This is our opportunity to make our voices heard! -----------ROFL

You had your chance......you blew it........and sold your collective credability

For the common excuse of ...."well I wasn't here when we voted that contract in..." is total BS. Even if you were NOT here....you interviewed knowing the contract and accepted the job....knowing the contract. Hell even if you negotiate a contract that is "industry average" next time around you need to know that you brought the whole industry down with the LAST contract so "Industry Average" is crap.....

You just reinforced JO's opinion that all pilots are whores.......

 

[Otto Coarsen]

Yeah can I come to so I can tell them how MAG have lowered the bar constantly, taken money from me by their low balling, the list goes on and on.

Suggest you STFU and live with what you have created and turned the rgional sector into!!

With your >10,000 hours, I can understand the bitterness you feel still flying an RJ for regional rates. Therefore I forgive your hostility.

 

[N8Dogg]

Do you suggest that the Mesa guys/gals throw their hands in the air and continue to let JO run them over? So they have a POS contract. Atleast someone over there is trying to fight back. I support any pilot group unifying for QOL issues. I don't agree with what they have done in the past but I support the Mesa pilots on this one.

 

[Flyingdutchman]

Indeed. Good luck Mesa pilots! I'll write you guys (and gals) a check anytime. Go get a Comair + 15% contract!!!

FD

 

[rattler]

If you guys get Comair +15% I will be amazed! Seriously, that would be great for everyone.

It wasn't long ago that our NC chairman said we would not settle for anything less than $85/hr 5th year CA. It's funny what a difference a couple of months can make.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

It wasn't long ago that our NC chairman said we would not settle for anything less than $85/hr 5th year CA. It's funny what a difference a couple of months can make.

Which NC Chairman said that and when/where? Definitely wasn't me...or any XJT NC Chairman that I worked under. We were very careful in how we talked about that issue...for obvious reasons.

-Neal

 

[Otto Coarsen]

Indeed. Good luck Mesa pilots! I'll write you guys (and gals) a check anytime. Go get a Comair + 15% contract!!!

FD

Appreciate the support, but we're not fighting over a new contract just yet. That will be in '07. Right now we need to stand our ground together and be unified for once. We need to show management that we won't allow them to wipe their respective hind-section with our current contract. Then and only then will we gain the credibility to move forward in the future.

 

[goodpilotithink]

Unbelievable how rediculously low your maturity and intelligence levels are. This post was about standing up for what is ours. Our current CBA is awful and we know it. I wasn't here when it was voted on, and neither were approximately 600 others currently employed.

The thing is, it's all we have. Though weak in many ways, it still is regularly not being complied with by management. This is an effort to stand up for ourselves. Unified. One of the reasons we have a pilots union to begin with.

How can you slander another ALPA carrier's efforts to make right something horribly wrong? Your anger is misdirected my friend. Why would you take something like this and turn it into some sort of slam bash fest? Your comments are so irrelevant, it's doubtful you posess the maturity to represent any airline as a professional.

I can't imagine where they found 600 pilots willing to work there knowing what kind of contract they have.

 

[doh]

jjet and Rottenweiler,

Go pi$$ up a rope! Yes, they did cave, but it is never too late to grow a pair. We should all support them every time they stand up to that NAZI JO! Oh, and the vast majority of pilots have no clue about contracts and politics, they are just trying to get the fastest hire they can. The bad news comes later. Go get him MAG pilots and God speed!

 

[Rottweiller]

With your >10,000 hours, I can understand the bitterness you feel still flying an RJ for regional rates. Therefore I forgive your hostility.

Otto, for me flying RJ's with the time I have is a personal decision. Having moved back to the US after flying DC8's in Europe, 9/11 came around and a regional airline was the only option.

That aside, whether or not you were there to vote on you contract is somewhat moot. Other regionals at the time were getting decent contracts formulated. JO comes along and puts down on the table what is basically toilet paper, says "approve it or you're out of a job I will expand Freedom" (even after the courts rulled Freedom was illegal), and everyone caves in. Now Multi Engine Student Accademy (MESA) now paying $hitty wages and conditions proceeds to undercut everyone and everything in the regional sector bringing it further down.

Is it no wonder to MESA pilots that they are beaten down not only by other regional pilots but mainline too? The horse has bolted and now you want to try and close the stable door? It won't happen. JO is a scumbag, he has you where he wanted you in the first place and picketting will not change one thing. You have made your bed and now you must lie in it until the next contract comes around and maybe then MESA pilots can stand up for themselves and get something half way decent. For now don't expect to feel the love, from me or 99% of other pilots out there.

 

[sluminginpit]

I support you cause, however you made the statement that you can't belive a pilot would slam another ALPA carrier? Give me a break! MESA pilots have no consideration for other ALPA carriers, you continue to lower the bar by always coming in lower then the group that is trying to make thier own stance.

Your contract sucks and your management has no respect for you because you made it that way. I hope you can get them to inforce your contract better, but remember that when you lowball all others for the flying they have no reason to comply, you are the lowest, no one is trying to take your flying.

If you were a true ALPA supporter do this for the industry, not your own personal gain, we must all stand for each other! I for one would rather loose my job to increase my QOL but if I try this and make a stance, thousands of young pilots are chomping at the bit to step in and take it up the a$$ to hopefully someday be a big, broke, divorced, misreable airline pilot!

Good luck

 

[TWA Dude]

For now don't expect to feel the love, from me or 99% of other pilots out there.

You do not represent 99% of other pilots and probably not even 10%. Why you think kicking guys when they're down is a good idea is beyond me. JO sucks, Mesa sucks, their contract sucks, but mean-sprited posts to MAG pilots is stupid. If you really wish to improve your lot in life you'd do well to encourage improvement rather than castigating for perceived faults.

 

[stb]

Walking around in circles...

chanting "hey, hey, ho, ho, JO has got to go", wont do a thing but make pilots look stupid.

 

[Boris Badenov]

Good grief. What is that you have on your tongue? Is that a "scab"? Why don't you just go ahead and spit it out, since everyone who flies for a company that doesn't have an industry leading contract is now just as hated as GIA.

When my time comes, if it ever does, I hope I don't wind up somewhere like Mesa. But then on the other hand, I've student loans to pay off and some income is better than none. I don't have a Daddsie to make the car payments while I wait for the Dream Job. Do you?

Mesa guys try to organize and fight for their contract (which is what you're so pissed they didn't do before), and they get spit upon. I'll bet an awful lot of you fly for airlines that once required PFT. Does that make you guilty of "lowering the bar"? I hear the payscale at Colgan is less than great. Are newhires there "lowering the bar" too?

Methinks someone needs to get some perspective and act like their age is in the double digits.

Regards,
Boris

 

[TWA Dude]

We should all support them every time they stand up to that NAZI JO!

JO is a bad man but considering that he's Jewish I wish you'd use insults other than "Nazi".

 

[treetopflyer]

if the shoe fits, right???

 

[stb]

During WWII, there were..

some Jewish colaborators with the Nazi's.

 

[FDJ2]

Best of luck to the MESA pilots. Don't take what the nay sayers too seriously, they are insecure little individuals who haven't a clue. MESA pilots have really come around and understand the importance of unity and a collective voice. Although MESA pilots have lower pay then average they are by far the largest regional contributor to ALPA-PAC. MESA pilots understand the important issues facing this profession and I am confident that through unity and the support of your fellow ALPA pilots you will succeeed.

 

[ChinaClipper]

As a former Mesa puke: I hate to say I told ya so......

but the fact is, you never HAD complience, what made you think it would come around? JO's kind heart? This is the PRECISE reason I fought JO so hard ( and WAY TOO OFTEN COMPLETELY ALONE!) and risked my job NUMEROUS times to get the point across. To many other YV pilots whistled past the graveyard hoping SOMEONE would put up a fight. Well, you made your decision, led by the biggest bunch of MEC dufuses ever assembled, so live with it. Your only leverage is WORK TO RULE! JO's and his Nazi's understand GREEN and nothing else. When the whole operation grinds to a halt, the phone will ring in PHX wondering what the he11 is going on. When JO amd Lotzy can't fund their extravegent lifestyles anymore, YOU WILL GET HIS ATTENTION! I know it will not happen, your MEC is so used to getting a rectal stretching so much, the latest round won't be noticed. You can only be beaten down so much, even a street walker has SOME pride, stains and all. I only hope you can get some one to LEAD the pilot group, not just react everytime that little shyter has a bowel movement. Good luck with all that.......

 

[TWA Dude]

some Jewish colaborators with the Nazi's.

I'm sure there were (very few) but that doesn't change the fact that Nazism was anti-semitic. JO is many bad things but he's not an anti-semite. I know this because I have cousins acquainted with his wife and kids. Why the heck is this even an issue? Just call him an arsehole and get on with the thread.

 

[millhouse21]

Ok, I don't mean to interrupt all the mesa bashing but I am actually wondering something. What good is picketing going to do if the issue is contract compliance? Aren't these violations being grieved? I don't know what your grievance process is like but isn't there some recourse if the company doesn't play along? I mean, I may sound naive but since this is an issue of a legal contract couldn't you eventually take this to a judge? To me, that sounds like the way it should be done, not picket in front of the Board which doesn't give a F%$# anyway.

 

[stb]

I didn't do..

any name calling or accuse anybody anything.

Just made a statement about colaboration during WWII.

 

[CitationLover]

Ok, I don't mean to interrupt all the mesa bashing but I am actually wondering something. What good is picketing going to do if the issue is contract compliance? Aren't these violations being grieved? I don't know what your grievance process is like but isn't there some recourse if the company doesn't play along? I mean, I may sound naive but since this is an issue of a legal contract couldn't you eventually take this to a judge? To me, that sounds like the way it should be done, not picket in front of the Board which doesn't give a F%$# anyway.

the point is to put pressure on JO and senior leadership in the form of "labor unrest" which may hinder their ability to garner/retain business, ie hit them where it hurts most. JO didn't land a delta deal, i believe, due to labor unrest during the last contract/freedom fiasco.