Medical

[platinumclub]

Anyone ever have an issue/heard of this scenario before...

I got my Commercial Cert. in April 01 and proceded to take my time getting my instructor ratings. Well, it's now been three years and I recently found out that instructor check rides DON'T count as BFR's. What am I gonna do?? I don't know if my examiner will be pissed for instructing out of BFR currency...as in if I ask him to backlog my CFI ride for a BFR. This is rediculous...a CFI flying 60 hours a month versus a weekend warrior building 8 hours a year, and both are held to the same currency standards?? HELP!

 

[j41driver]

What the heck does that have to do with "Medical"??

 

[Mkay?]

Platinum -

Hey man check again. I am almost positive that an instructor ride does count as a currency check. You filled out an 8710 for them, right? Call the local FSDO and verify, but I know a ton of people (including myself) who have done the same thing. I would not ask an inspector to falsify records, however. Good Luck!

 

[vclean]

Your instructor checkrides satisfy the requirements for a BFR.

Ref: 61.56 (d)

 

[rtmcfi]

I don't think 61.56d covers you.
(d) A person who has, within the period specified in paragraph (c) of this section, passed a pilot proficiency check conducted by an examiner, an approved pilot check airman, or a U.S. Armed Force, for a PILOT certificate, rating, or operating privilege need not accomplish the flight review required by this section.

I think this refers to a rating added to your PILOT certificate, not your FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR certificate. This view is further supported by looking at 61.56f

f) A person who holds a current flight instructor certificate who has, within the period specified in paragraph (c) of this section, satisfactorily completed a renewal of a flight instructor certificate under the provisions in §61.197 need not accomplish the 1 hour of ground training specified in paragraph (a) of this section.

The powers that be have cleary waived the 1 hour of ground training. They did not waive the flight portion. If the feds wanted to waive BFR's for FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR checkrides, they would have said so in 61.56f. If they wanted any checkride to count as your BFR, be it a PILOT checkride, or a FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR checkride,they could have stated this in 61.56d.

I'm not saying this is how it should be, only how it is. Obviously there can be other interpretations. Check with AOPA Legal services, and then with your FSDO. Good Luck!

 

[barn stormer]

...For a pilot certificate or rating...Getting a CFII or MEI added on to your flight instructor certificate would constitute as an additional rating. If this is not the case, I know of numerous people including myself who have been operating without a BFR because I have added ratings to my flight instructor certificate. You are still taking an FAA checkride when getting your CFII and MEI...

 

[rtmcfi]

For a pilot certificate or rating...Getting a CFII or MEI added on to your flight instructor certificate would constitute as an additional rating. If this is not the case, I know of numerous people including myself who have been operating without a BFR because I have added ratings to my flight instructor certificate. You are still taking an FAA checkride when getting your CFII and MEI...

I think you all might be operating out of BFR. If your BFR was to be waived by adding a rating to your flight instructor certificate, 61.56d would have stated so. Your Flight Instructor Certificate and Pilots certificate are not the same thing. I can see how 61.56d could be read to include any additional rating. However, look at 61.56f. It clearly indicates that an additional flight instructor certificate waives the 1 hour of ground, not the flight. Get a BFR! I am not trying to start a flame war here. If you can prove me wrong, it will save me a BFR as well. I just can't seem to find a way past 61.56f.......................
good luck!

 

[platinumclub]

oops

meant to say BFR in the title

 

[Mkay?]

Hey Guys -

Are we overlooking this section? (ref. 61.56)

(d) A person who has, within the period
specified in paragraph (c) of this
section, passed a pilot proficiency check conducted by an examiner, an approved pilot check airman, or a U.S.
Armed Force, for a pilot certificate,
rating, or operating privilege need not
accomplish the flight review required
by this section.

I think this is what vclean was talking about. I believe that a CFI checkride is considered a pilot proficeincy check for an operating priveledge.

 

[barn stormer]

How can an FAA checkride that you sign an 8710 form for not be considered a proficiency check in the FAA's mind...I agree with others in saying that an additional rating on your instructor cert. is considered a BFR. So that means that if I work my tail off to get a CFII within two years of my last certificate and Billy Bob does two flights since his last certificate and has received a BFR is now more current??? In addition, you are not renewing your flight instructor certificate in according to part f...

 

[flytheblue]

I recall reading something about this subject a long time ago.....basically instructor certificates don't count because they are not pilot's certificates. However, I do believe the initial CFI ride is supposed to count if you ask the examiner to count it as a BFR. This is one subject in which you will get a different answer, depending on who you ask. It would be nice if all checkrides kept you current, but apparently teaching certificates are exempt.