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Man Mini, thats some ride....

I'd be pretty pissed if I ever ran into a DE like that, and knowing me, I'd tell him straight where to go....and correspondingly lose my ticket...

Here's a clip from AC-90-94, need to read the whole thing, but this is just a short excerpt....need to go to bed now...

4 EN ROUTE DOMESTIC AND TERMINAL. Domestic en route operations are defined as that
phase of flight between departure and arrival terminal phases, with departure and arrival points within
the U.S. NAS. Terminal area operations include those flight phases conducted on charted Standard
Instrument Departures (SIDs), on Standard Terminal Arrival Routes (STARS), or during other flight
operations between the last en route Wwaypoint and an initial approach Wwaypoint. In addition to the
criteria outlined in paragraph 3.b.( l), the following criteria applies:
a. Other navigation equipment should be installed and operational to receive the intended
ground-based facilities which define the route to be flown to the destination and any required alternate.
b . Ground-based facilities which define these routes must also be operational.
c. Aircraft should be equipped with an approved and operational alternate means of
navigation appropriate to the route being flown. This navigation equipment must be operational, but it
does not have to be actively monitored unless the RAIM capability of the system fails. The purpose of
these backup systems is to ensure that the aircraft can continue to the destination if something unforeseen
occurs to the avionics or GPS constellation.


I dont buy the whole climb back up thing, because what if the MEA is above your capability, say you dont have O2 available. One route I think of goes from PXR up towards INW, the MEA is 145 or 160 or something, and the MOCA is 9800'.
 
IP076 said:
Man Mini, thats some ride....

I'd be pretty pissed if I ever ran into a DE like that, and knowing me, I'd tell him straight where to go....and correspondingly lose my ticket...
...
I dont buy the whole climb back up thing, because what if the MEA is above your capability, say you dont have O2 available. One route I think of goes from PXR up towards INW, the MEA is 145 or 160 or something, and the MOCA is 9800'.
Yeah I got pretty pissed during my oral when he was going over winds aloft telling me I was wrong on direction
730428 (30 or 33k)
me: 230 at 104 temp minus 28
him: wrong...speed is right, temp is right, direction is wrong
me: okay well lets just move on then

I learned early on that sometimes the examiners have this huge ego trip thing and you just have to go with it...

he also almost busted me on our first approach (ILS) when I put in 10* of flaps just before the FAF...
him: "you can't do that" (reaches and puts them back up)
me: "as PIC I want them in"
him: "uh huh..."

I knew going into it that he had an ego and a huge chip on his shoulder but I didn't wanna get too rowdy...I really wanted to ticket and I was my CFII's first signoff so I wanted to do good to help him out too...

anyway...

That was almost the exact same argument I gave him.
I just said, "What if you're in an IFR equipped 152 and the MOCA is 8000 and the MEA is 15000. Your service cieling is 14,700 so what do you do?"
him: "use your GPS"

Anyway rant #2 over....its done now and I don't ahve to worry about it

but thanks for the stuff on MEA gap guys! Leran something new every day!

-mini
 
You know, it makes me wonder, is there any course of action that you could take after a ride like that?

Obviously this guy has some problems, and probably is not a very safe pilot himself. However, the FAA seems hesitant to act on things like this, unless its the Scottsdale FSDO......then they revoke all the DPE's certs because they pass too many people.
 
IP076 said:
You know, it makes me wonder, is there any course of action that you could take after a ride like that?...
...probably not anything good...

I'm sure it would be a "quit whining, you passed" thing...which is true...I just try to "warn" other students going to him for check rides so they know ahead of time what to expect...

I guess I shouldn't bitch...its not like he did bust me...and I'm not sure that he would have...probably just wanted to toss around the "I'm an examiner and you're a student so by definition I'm right and you're wrong" thing...

That said, I think he realized I flew the whole thing well within PTS and I more importantly, I think he realized that I knew that...so there wasn't a whole lot he could do...oh well...

"Sometimes when you get kicked in the balls you just gotta sit on some ice"

......thats what my Grandpa's always tellin' me......not real sure what it means but it sounds like it applies :p

-mini
 

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