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av8tor4239

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We are picketing the Delta Shareholders meeting May 19 2005! We NEED a strong show for this event and need YOU if you are reading this!

If you are not ASA! you can still come out and support us!

Thank you for your attention!

Also, June 4 2005 is a Family Awareness Rally at the ATL Zoo! Bring your family out for information and support of our CNC an MEC in our ongoing Negotiations..

See the MEC website.. www.alpa.org
 
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I for one will be there. I want a new contract and picketing this shareholders' meeting is a stroke of genius. I'm also loking forward to the family awareness rally so the public can see what my regional airline/poverty stricken family looks like.
 
You guys were never crap to us, in the end you are still our closest ally. Were we a little disappointed? Yes. Would our vote have turned out similar given your circumstance? Who knows, probably. Yes please, do spread the word though amongst your pilot group that we want and need to see you guys there. Especially now. And if you do decide to come and walk with us I'll be the first one to come over and welcome and thank you for your support.
 
Burn gas, ground airplanes......this is all that management undestands.
 
With Delta losing Billions per year the LAST thing that the shareholder will give a rats a$$ about are some greedy skilled labor regional pilots. I'm sure your picket signs will totally exagerate how poor the pay is. I recall $40,000 per year first officers at Mesaba carrying signs saying they make $15,000 per year. Give me a break. You guys just don't get it. Pleanty of hungry CFI's waiting inline to fill your shoes if you don't like it.
 
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With Delta losing Billions per year the LAST thing that the shareholder will give a rats a$$ about are some greedy skilled labor regional pilots. I'm sure your picket signs will totally exagerate how poor the pay is. I recall $40,000 per year first officers at Mesaba carrying signs saying they make $15,000 per year. Give me a break. You guys just don't get it. Pleanty of hungry CFI's waiting inline to fill your shoes if you don't like it.
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Angry, bitter, and partially true. The shareholders, passengers, and management really don't give a rat's a$$ about our contract. They do see us as greedy, whiny, overpaid (we all make at least 100K a year right?? Just ask any passenger)

I'll go back to my mantra: burn gas, ground airplanes, burn gas, ground airplanes. This is what managment understands.
 
I'm sure there are plenty of FO's at Mesaba that aren't making first year pay. I assume these are the ones making 40k.
 
Lequip said:
With Delta losing Billions per year the LAST thing that the shareholder will give a rats a$$ about are some greedy skilled labor regional pilots. I'm sure your picket signs will totally exagerate how poor the pay is. I recall $40,000 per year first officers at Mesaba carrying signs saying they make $15,000 per year. Give me a break. You guys just don't get it. Pleanty of hungry CFI's waiting inline to fill your shoes if you don't like it.
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Shows how much you know. It isn't about the pay, in fact our pay rates here in "Candler Land" aren't all that bad, it is the QOL that is lacking. Simply put our current working agreement is waaaaay out-dated. If you look in the back at the seniority list that voted on it, maybe 1/3 are still here and that makes up less than 1/4 of the entire pilot group today. Yeah picketting is goofy looking but it is a way to make a statement to those that matter. Investors don't like getting involved with a company that has a bad image, and a bunch of pilots walking in circles during the shareholders meeting gives Delta a bad image.
 
Shareholders might care about a little operational "stand down" for safety reasons.

No one can orgainize a strike like crew scheduling can.
 
So far I have had to work EVERY time that we have picketed. My thoughts:

I think more people would picket on weekends and here is why. Most guys who are willing to picket have been here for a few years and are holding weekends off...therefore usually cannot picket during the week. I say lets try picketing on a Saturday and see what the turnout is. I know I'll be there.

Thoughts?
 
Palerider957 said:
"If freedom dictates independance, then war is the only answer."
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If literacy dictates spelling, then a dictionary is the only answer!

Sorry, but I couldn't help it. Just working on my syllogisms for Fedex.
 
Don't be mad at Comair--at least they got to vote for a freeze, we have taken a freeze and did not even vote on it.... 3 years in September....

For the moron that wrote there are plenty people waiting to take our jobs... for my 32,000.00 a year for the last 3 years....I can pay all my bills and loans it took to get here--NOT,, He can send some of his 110,000.00 a year to me--since he does not care about no one but himself--SURPRISE

I sure a doctor or lawyer makes 32,000 after his 3 years on the job...
 
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I sure a doctor or lawyer makes 32,000 after his 3 years on the job...
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Ah, the doctor/lawyer argument. Let's break it down a little...

3rd year Dr - ~40k/year. 3th year Pilot - ~32K/year. So-so comparison so far.
3rd year Dr - ~90 hours/week...uh-oh, Pilot - max 32 hours a week (i may be off by a couple here).
3rd year Dr - 36 hour shift every 4th day...Pilot - max duty time 14 scheduled, 16 actual. (also reference max 7 day hours above)
3rd year Dr rest rules - keep looking... Pilot rest rules 8 hours duty out/duty in.
3rd year Dr pay breaks down to ~$9/hour. 3rd year pilot, depends on airline I guess, what's regional standard...~$20/hour??
3rd year Dr days off 4/month...3rd year pilot days off min of 11 I believe?

Don't mean to bust on ya, just get tired of hearing the pilot/doctor lifestyle comparison.
 
Macey :

What is your source for pay? My girlfriend made 80K her first year after PT certification. Her buddies in nursing are getting $50K sign on bonuses for taking two year gigs at 70 to 90K per year.

After three years of being a PT, her earnings this year will be 112K. She is thinking of finishing up her Doctorate, but clearly has different "career expectations" than you posted.

When I considered making the jump into law, the numbers being tossed around were $70,000 to $75,000 first year ( and this was at a firm known for being a little on the cheap side ). And yes, I would have had to work 12 hour days. At ASA we are scheduled closer to 14 in most cases.

I would not recommend that anyone consider an aviation career. Nobody, including our employers, can figure out how to make money in this industry.

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my wife, 3rd year M.D...of course the pay will increase exponentially in a few years, unlike that of the pilot, but since we were comparing 3 years, then I wanted to keep it a fair comparison.

Saw her more when I was commuting than I do now.

Can't disagree with you about getting an aviation career. At least without having a good/stable second job, or a very motivated spouse.
 
Here is another point to ponder..........

3rd year FO's Resume

* Highschool Diploma
* Pvt, Inst, Comm, CFI from Mommy and Daddy
* Completed _____ Academy at age of 19 (fill in the blank, GIA, Tab ect)
* Hired by Regional at 20
* 23 and I'm a 3rd year FO making 40K

3rd year MD's Resume

* Highschool Diploma
* College Pre-Med (4 Years)
* Med School (8 years)
* 33 and finally a 3rd year MD making peanuts after malpractice insurance
* 45 and now a 15 year Resident making $200K minus 50% for insurance

To summarize, MOST regional pilots who put in their time are doing just as good as doctors. All my RJ friends at various commuers are making just as much as our MD buddies when you factor out what they shell out in malpractice insurance and I'll be the 1st to admit that flying airplanes isn't nearly as complex or as difficult or time consuming as practicing law or medicine is. Anybody with a fat checkbook can buy their way into aviation. To become a Dr or a sucessful Attorney takes a decade of very intense study and dediction and practice. To become an airline pilot takes a year from zero time to the right seat of a CRJ and your in. Sad but true.
 
DetoXJ said:
Here is another point to ponder..........

3rd year FO's Resume

* Highschool Diploma
* Pvt, Inst, Comm, CFI from Mommy and Daddy
* Completed _____ Academy at age of 19 (fill in the blank, GIA, Tab ect)
* Hired by Regional at 20
* 23 and I'm a 3rd year FO making 40K

3rd year MD's Resume

* Highschool Diploma
* College Pre-Med (4 Years)
* Med School (8 years)
* 33 and finally a 3rd year MD making peanuts after malpractice insurance
* 45 and now a 15 year Resident making $200K minus 50% for insurance

To summarize, MOST regional pilots who put in their time are doing just as good as doctors. All my RJ friends at various commuers are making just as much as our MD buddies when you factor out what they shell out in malpractice insurance and I'll be the 1st to admit that flying airplanes isn't nearly as complex or as difficult or time consuming as practicing law or medicine is. Anybody with a fat checkbook can buy their way into aviation. To become a Dr or a sucessful Attorney takes a decade of very intense study and dediction and practice. To become an airline pilot takes a year from zero time to the right seat of a CRJ and your in. Sad but true.
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Finally, I'm so tired of pilots comparing themselves to Doctors. You can go "zero to hero" in an RJ in a year. I have a lot more resect for Doctors then I do pilots.
 
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Macey :

What is your source for pay? My girlfriend made 80K her first year after PT certification. Her buddies in nursing are getting $50K sign on bonuses for taking two year gigs at 70 to 90K per year.

After three years of being a PT, her earnings this year will be 112K. She is thinking of finishing up her Doctorate, but clearly has different "career expectations" than you posted.

When I considered making the jump into law, the numbers being tossed around were $70,000 to $75,000 first year ( and this was at a firm known for being a little on the cheap side ). And yes, I would have had to work 12 hour days. At ASA we are scheduled closer to 14 in most cases.

I would not recommend that anyone consider an aviation career. Nobody, including our employers, can figure out how to make money in this industry.

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Nothing to say here but, Wrong.
$112k/yr. PT...not on this planet.
Nursing...more like $10k signing bonus and $45-$60k/yr. anywhere!
1st yr. law....the fact that you're still driving jets says enough about that.

Same as with the media and airline pilots (not all plilots are 777 capt. @$300k/yr)....don't pick the ONE EXTREME case someones well connected kid got....

I know too many doctors, pa's, rn's, crna's and pt's that are envious of my days off, pay and working conditions. I would NEVER trade with them.
 
Oh Please :

Flying is sexy and we've always had more pilots than jobs. Heck, Orvill and Wilbur had to flip a coin to see who got to fly the airplane :)
 
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Oh Please :

I do her taxes. She does home care ( because it pays more ) and started her own business. She, like her nursing buddies grew up in mud huts on the other side of the planet, went to school to make it good in the US. :)
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PT making $112K??? ROFL

I thought they were called hookers. I guess you could use the term incall escort, if'n you wanted to be polite.
 
Let me retract that. What needs to be considered ahead of everything else, is the level of responsibility pilots have. These days, crews are the ONLY line of defense in the operation of the aircraft. The prospect of an airplane not arriving safely is gigantic. The paycheck should be commensurate with the level of responsibility. Unfortunately, few realize that. Flying is great, but not that great.
 
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