Make a bet

[nomore]

I'll wager Bob/B-19 will be gone within one week of contract ratification at good ol' Flight Options. Any other guesses?

N

 

[realityman]

One day.

 

[SilverSurfer]

Sooner then that

I'll wager Bob/B-19 will be gone within one week of contract ratification at good ol' Flight Options. Any other guesses?

N

I bet he is gone sooner then that. Word in CGF is that Sh!tfinger and Baboo are blaming him for the recent embarrassment in DFW. I bet that Sh!tfinger throws him under the bus long before we have a contract blaming the company problems on poor old Bob/B19. He will be the first to go then HIG will come in at some point after that and usher "M" and Baboo out the door.:crying:

 

[Galaxy]

After a contract he will be gone just like FamilyGuy during NJA's turmoil years. I hope they do send Bob a packin or pursuing other interests--like unemployment.

 

[CA1900]

After a contract he will be gone just like FamilyGuy during NJA's turmoil years...

And yet, still watching:

FamilyGuy - Registered User - Last Activity: Yesterday 23:32

 

[nomore]

Sweeeeeet

You guys had Peter Griffin attempting to torment you during your negotiations? Lois is hot!



N

 

[Galaxy]

And yet, still watching:

FamilyGuy - Registered User - Last Activity: Yesterday 23:32

Yea-a real HERO! with all of his 476 anti-union posts..

BOY WAS HE SOOOOO WRONG!!!!!!

 

[B19 Flyer]

I'll wager Bob/B-19 will be gone within one week of contract ratification at good ol' Flight Options. Any other guesses?

N

Ratification of a contract is only the beginning of the fun. Then I'll enjoy watching the moaning, groaning and complaining of the painful process of implementing the contract. You'll get exactly what you asked for.

You guys on this board are easy to wind up. How many FLOPS guys really read this stuff? You give yourselves way to much credit.

There wasn't a shooter on the grassy knoll, Elvis is really dead, and I don't have an agenda for Flight Options. There is no conspiracy! I simply like to pass the word along that union involvement in an air carrier, is only a myth that it really helps. I've seen, lived, eaten and breathed the contrary. My favorite employer of all time (not a legacy carrier) has been completely dismanteled by a single union and is hanging on today by a thread. When that one goes by the wayside, and it might be sooner than later, the union will be the blame, not the management.

I simply latched onto this board out of sheer coincidence because of my previous fractional involvement. I'll be here when the economy falters, to say "I told you so" when the union blames management and cripples the company. But, in the meantime, you guys have a long way to go before there is ratification.

I don't have to worry about that. I'm in a non-union carrier.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Yea-a real HERO! with all of his 476 anti-union posts..

BOY WAS HE SOOOOO WRONG!!!!!!

Judging the success of a contract by a time frame measured in months are words of a fool.

"Industry leading contracts" signed in 1999 could have been considered successful right up until the bankruptcies of nearly all the carriers and the loss of pensions, etc. less then 3 years later.

I've said over and over, the measure of a union isn't how it acts during the good times, it's how it steps up during the bad times.

The track record isn't good.

 

[realityman]

B19, your posts keep getting dumber all the time.

So what you're saying is: Things are always great until they go bad.

Well, duh!

Are you really trying to convince us that all non-union companies survive when there's a downturn in the economy? Uh, I beg to differ.

I've asked you before, with no response, but I'll try a different tactic. For every company you name that went out of business SUPPOSEDLY because of a union, I'll name a company that went out of business that was non-union. But I'll leave it to you to tell me why my non-union companies went out of business. I'll be very interested to hear your reasoning on the non-union companies' demise.

Also, still waiting to hear why you aren't trying to 'help' the folks over at JetBlue. FLOPS already has a union. Too late there buddy.

By the way, in your opinion, how long does it take before anyone can say their industry-leading contract isn't hurting the company? You say a few months isn't enough. NJA has been in the black for over two years now with our 'industry-leading' contract. Is that enough? What if we can go 10 years in the black. Will that be enough? Suppose we go 5 years in the black, have a few years in the red, then have more years in the black. Does that count?

Interesting how you like to throw your 'informed' opinion out there, but don't provide any qualifiers.

Also wondering, if a company goes under, how do you, B19, decide if it went under because of inflexible union contracts, or if it would have gone under anyway even if all the employees had decided to work for free. Eastern comes to mind. How can you be so sure that Eastern would have made it if the unions had capitulated immediately? Just because a union doesn't want to take a paycut before the end doesn't mean the end wasn't coming anyway.

Please feel free to answer these questions in as much detail as you can.

 

[B19 Flyer]

NJA has been in the black for over two years now with our 'industry-leading' contract.

No, the majors were also. And NJ has a long way to go to recover from the losses of the previous years.



Is that enough? What if we can go 10 years in the black. Will that be enough? Suppose we go 5 years in the black, have a few years in the red, then have more years in the black. Does that count?

Not if the union doesn't react when the company falters.

Interesting how you like to throw your 'informed' opinion out there, but don't provide any qualifiers.

All I have given is qualifiers, over and over.

Also wondering, if a company goes under, how do you, B19, decide if it went under because of inflexible union contracts, or if it would have gone under anyway even if all the employees had decided to work for free. Eastern comes to mind.

CAL is a shining example of what could have happened had the unions backed off. I don't think I need any other example.

How can you be so sure that Eastern would have made it if the unions had capitulated immediately?

See above.

Just because a union doesn't want to take a paycut before the end doesn't mean the end wasn't coming anyway.

Bankruptcy judges must be clueless. It must be a coincidence that once forced into concessions that could be voluntary, companies stop the slide and recover.

Please feel free to answer these questions in as much detail as you can.

............

 

[nomore]

Toooo Baaaad

I see B-19 has been responding to my thread. Too bad I have the dope on ignore.

 

[realityman]

You say that judging the success of a contract in months are the words of a fool. Well, I don't see any qualifiers in that statement. How long does it take for a contract to be a success? Without answering that question you've made a statement with no qualifier. You do it all the time.

If you believe Netjets was in the red BEFORE the 2005 contract your head is further in the sand than I thought. I've put it out there several times, but you've constantly ignored it: I'd love to hear your explanation as to how we went from losing millions to RECORD PROFITS literally overnight after our 2005 contract was signed, and doing that while paying out huge signing bonuses and greatly increased salaries. No no, I'm sure you're right, they were losing money hand over foot before our contract.

Hmmmm, bankruptcy judges didn't help TWA now did they? So much for your theory that if you void a union contract the carrier is saved. Kinda still leaves the question of Eastern still out there.

Southwest Airlines has continuously made money for how long? What about FedEx and UPS? So much for the theory that union contracts kill a company.

Keep at it FLOPS folks! You guys and gals deserve better!!

 

[doh]

B19 used to post under a different name. He is ex Comair or he used to post all the time on the Comair threads back when management was raping it's way through the bankruptcy court. I can't remember his old user name, but you can't change your (lack of) writing style that easily. And boy does he have the same lack of style! Remember, tool rhymes with fool.