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[B19 Flyer]

NJA has been in the black for over two years now with our 'industry-leading' contract.

No, the majors were also. And NJ has a long way to go to recover from the losses of the previous years.



Is that enough? What if we can go 10 years in the black. Will that be enough? Suppose we go 5 years in the black, have a few years in the red, then have more years in the black. Does that count?

Not if the union doesn't react when the company falters.

Interesting how you like to throw your 'informed' opinion out there, but don't provide any qualifiers.

All I have given is qualifiers, over and over.

Also wondering, if a company goes under, how do you, B19, decide if it went under because of inflexible union contracts, or if it would have gone under anyway even if all the employees had decided to work for free. Eastern comes to mind.

CAL is a shining example of what could have happened had the unions backed off. I don't think I need any other example.

How can you be so sure that Eastern would have made it if the unions had capitulated immediately?

See above.

Just because a union doesn't want to take a paycut before the end doesn't mean the end wasn't coming anyway.

Bankruptcy judges must be clueless. It must be a coincidence that once forced into concessions that could be voluntary, companies stop the slide and recover.

Please feel free to answer these questions in as much detail as you can.

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[nomore]

Toooo Baaaad

I see B-19 has been responding to my thread. Too bad I have the dope on ignore.

 

[realityman]

You say that judging the success of a contract in months are the words of a fool. Well, I don't see any qualifiers in that statement. How long does it take for a contract to be a success? Without answering that question you've made a statement with no qualifier. You do it all the time.

If you believe Netjets was in the red BEFORE the 2005 contract your head is further in the sand than I thought. I've put it out there several times, but you've constantly ignored it: I'd love to hear your explanation as to how we went from losing millions to RECORD PROFITS literally overnight after our 2005 contract was signed, and doing that while paying out huge signing bonuses and greatly increased salaries. No no, I'm sure you're right, they were losing money hand over foot before our contract.

Hmmmm, bankruptcy judges didn't help TWA now did they? So much for your theory that if you void a union contract the carrier is saved. Kinda still leaves the question of Eastern still out there.

Southwest Airlines has continuously made money for how long? What about FedEx and UPS? So much for the theory that union contracts kill a company.

Keep at it FLOPS folks! You guys and gals deserve better!!

 

[doh]

B19 used to post under a different name. He is ex Comair or he used to post all the time on the Comair threads back when management was raping it's way through the bankruptcy court. I can't remember his old user name, but you can't change your (lack of) writing style that easily. And boy does he have the same lack of style! Remember, tool rhymes with fool.