Logging R22 Flight

[wiggsfly]

Just took an intro ride in a Robinson R22 Alpha today! It was awesome! However since I forgot my logbook can somebody please tell me what I should put down for the aircraft type in my logbook (I doubt I'll get back there for him to sign it for a few weeks).

Thanks!

 

[Crimson03]

Nothing. I doubt you can log dual received without an CFIs signature but I may be wrong. However read SFAR 73 ya can't even 'manipulate' the controls of a R-22 without first getting a specific endorsement. So even if you don't need the CFIs signature you would still need the SFAR 73 endorsement before you could log the time and of course you should have had it before the flight unless you didn't touch the controls at all, in which case there is nothing to log anyway.

 

[FracCapt]

As Crimson stated, you MUST have ground training and an endorsement before you are even legally allowed to maniplulate the controls in an R22 or R44. See below for a direct quote from SFAR 73.

(1) Except as provided in paragraph (a)(2) of this section, no person may manipulate the controls of a Robinson model R-22 or R-44 helicopter after March 27, 1995, for the purpose of flight unless the awareness training specified in paragraph (a)(3) of this section is completed and the person's logbook has been endorsed by a certified flight instructor authorized under paragraph (b)(5) of this section.

(2) A person who holds a rotorcraft category and helicopter class rating on that person's pilot certificate and meets the experience requirements of paragraph (b)(1) or paragraph (b)(2) of this section may not manipulate the controls of a Robinson model R-22 or R-44 helicopter for the purpose of flight after April 26, 1995, unless the awareness training specified in paragraph (a)(3) of this section is completed and the person's logbook has been endorsed by a certified flight instructor authorized under paragraph (b)(5) of this section.

Want to read the entire SFAR? http://helicopterflight.net/sfar_73.htm

Technically, if the instructor let you handle the controls without that endorsement, you and he both violated an FAR. Take your logbook to the instructor, get the endorsement, and have him sign your logbook for the intro flight. If you did NOT get the training required for the endorsement, run away from that school.

 

[wiggsfly]

I know about these and I got the training fot SFAR73, I had gone up there just to talk though and didn't have my logbook with me (I keep it in a firesafe and it rarely leaves the house). The reason I want to write it down now before I see him again is because my electronic logbook is rather simple and I won't be able to enter is out of order (not that the date really matters, but I'm rather anal on keeping things honest)...

 

[nosehair]

Make the entry yourself, get the instructor's signature and SFAR endorsement later.

 

[wiggsfly]

That's the whole point! My question is what do youlist the Raa Alph as under the make and model section???

 

[Crimson03]

R-22 or R-22A the only time specifying the 'A' would be important is in a solo endorsement otherwise it doesn't matter. The solo endorsement has to be specific to the model you are going to fly ie R-22 HP, R-22 A, or R-22 B.

 

[garf12]

Why do they have this specific regulation just for the R-22 and R-44? Its not like that for all helis is it?

 

[wiggsfly]

R-22 or R-22A the only time specifying the 'A' would be important is in a solo endorsement otherwise it doesn't matter. The solo endorsement has to be specific to the model you are going to fly ie R-22 HP, R-22 A, or R-22 B.

Thank you!

 

[nosehair]

Why do they have this specific regulation just for the R-22 and R-44? Its not like that for all helis is it?

Because of the low rotor inertia of the main blades, it takes exceptionaly quick response to engine failure.

Sort of like it takes exceptionaly quick rudder response on a tailwheel, which is why the tailwheel endorsement.