Logbooks....

[rydog]

I have seen some info on how to log IMC, PIC ect.. but nothing regarding how to log flight time over all.

Do any places, specifically NetJets, care how all my flight time is logged? I am a bit behind and need to catch up. I was planning on doing a monthly log of flight time. Would this be detrimental to me in an interview?

Thanks for the info.

 

[The_Russian]

Do you mean one line on the logpage for each month?

 

[rydog]

Yea, one line per month.

I work for a regional, fly 5-6 legs per day and 60-90 hrs per month, and have gotten way behind. I don't have the time to log daily and a quite a few guys I know log their time at the end of the month. But I have heard rumors that some companies don't like to see flight time logged that way.

Just thought I seek some info from a recent interviewee or current NJ Pilot.

Thanks

 

[The_Russian]

Yea, one line per month.

I work for a regional, fly 5-6 legs per day and 60-90 hrs per month, and have gotten way behind. I don't have the time to log daily and a quite a few guys I know log their time at the end of the month. But I have heard rumors that some companies don't like to see flight time logged that way.

Just thought I seek some info from a recent interviewee or current NJ Pilot.

Thanks

The aircraft idntification is going to change regularly, so I would suggest not logging by the month. If you tried to, you would need a huge a/c ident section!

Also the FARs state you must log by the date. To me this would mean the day, not the month. Refer to 61.51

(b) Logbook entries. For the purposes of meeting the requirements of paragraph (a) of this section, each person must enter the following information for each flight or lesson logged:
(1) General—
(i) Date.

 

[rydog]

I have no way of going back and getting the A/C number further than a month, and i am many many months behind.

I know guys have done monthly logs and got hired at majors, and i want to log it the way NetJets would want to see it.

 

[Ultra Grump]

I did it by trip. But you could also take the time and do it the right way. I had gotten 6 months or more behind in the past, and took a couple days each time to do it. That said, I got sick of that and started logging by trip.

 

[Dilligaff]

I used to work with a guy who logged the tail number as 'Fleet' and he put a list of the airline's fleet tail numbers in the back of his logbook.

 

[Q Service]

When I got hired at Netjets, they looked at the first page, and the last for a total of about 15 seconds.

I spent a month getting it "ready"!

That was 7 years ago, but I doubt its changed.

 

[FrontierFan]

How would you answer "tell me about this flight when....."? I got that one and when I did it made me glad I spent the time it needed to get my logs ready.

 

[Thunderbolt]

The FAR quoted by "The_Russian" is taken from FAR 61.51 and applies to requirements for TRAINING and Aeronautical Experience. The FAR's do not require you to log flight time for any other reason. As long as you can show you meet the aeronautical experience, ie; IFR, night, etc. recency experience, any way you log flight time is up to you. If you are a Regional guy, no one will care what TAIL you were flying on a specific date, nor will they care if you log by flight, by day by month by year. As long as what ever you log is ACCURATE and honest and you can explain it, log however makes you comfortable.

 

[The_Russian]

The FAR quoted by "The_Russian" is taken from FAR 61.51 and applies to requirements for TRAINING and Aeronautical Experience. The FAR's do not require you to log flight time for any other reason. As long as you can show you meet the aeronautical experience, ie; IFR, night, etc. recency experience, any way you log flight time is up to you. If you are a Regional guy, no one will care what TAIL you were flying on a specific date, nor will they care if you log by flight, by day by month by year. As long as what ever you log is ACCURATE and honest and you can explain it, log however makes you comfortable.

Sure, but if you want to enter it in your logbook legally, you will mark the "date" not "dates". The poster is months behind on his logbook. Leading me to believe that the month of May will not be acceptable for a "date" in his logbook, with respect to currency.

 

[LandRoverNut]

I have no way of going back and getting the A/C number further than a month, and i am many many months behind.

rydog,

Call your training department and tell them you need a copy of your flght times and train! They sent me all the times and A/C numbers, everything!!

 

[VVJM265]

When I got hired at Netjets, they looked at the first page, and the last for a total of about 15 seconds.

I spent a month getting it "ready"!

That was 7 years ago, but I doubt its changed.

My experience was the same last November when I interviewed. But you know that if the time had not gone into preparing the logbook, they would have ended up going thru it with a fine tooth come. Better safe than sorry; take the time to do it right.

Best of luck!
:beer:

 

[glasspilot]

"I don't have the time to log daily"

...translation...

HELP! I've been lazy for the last 3,000 hours! How do I get hired now????

Look, I'm sure someone showed you how to fill out a log book during your pilot training. You then decided not to do it cause you're "too busy". Now you want a new job and can't figure out how to display your hours in a professional manner at the interview. Someone told me a long time ago that "lazy people work twice as hard". I believe that advice to be true.

I know this doesn't help you and you're probably thinking up a crafty response to zing me back, but this post isn't for you. It's for the younger guys reading, perhaps wondering if they should keep up a logbook. Well, my advice to them is "yes you should lest you end up like this guy".

Fly safe and good luck.

 

[regionalcap]

I have always logged it by the trip. Do what you feel will make you look the best for the interview. You want all the bonus points that you can get. I started using logbook pro and the airline logbook on my palm a couple of years ago. It keeps my logbook up to date after every flight. The math totals are always correct and it looks professional. You never how much time that they will spend looking at your logbook. During my last interview, the guy spent about 10 minutes going through it.

 

[Q-Service]

A long time ago, I made an MS Excel spread sheet version of my log book. The cool part about doing that is once you have the data entered, you can make formulas to break down the info anyway you want it.

Additionally, NJA provides all my flight time in PDF or Excel formats so all I need to do is cut and paste, and its done.

When logging my time prior to NJA I scanned the print-outs from my previous company, OCFed it, then cut and pasted it.

You may consider this approach. If I could, I would attach my spread sheet here. If you want a copy, PM me and I'll email it to you.

 

[Southern Cross]

Some years back, I spent time on an interview board and reviewed more logbooks than I care to remember. Although at that airline I don't think logging it that way would have gone against you, you definitely would have put yourself in the minority.

If your after a job you really want and the hiring is competitve, I don't think I'd take the chance. With the wrong reviewer, it could work against you.

For what's it's worth, I remember most people logging by the day.

Good luck

 

[dillfer]

HELP! I've been lazy for the last 3,000 hours! How do I get hired now????

Look, I'm sure someone showed you how to fill out a log book during your pilot training. You then decided not to do it cause you're "too busy". Now you want a new job and can't figure out how to display your hours in a professional manner at the interview. Someone told me a long time ago that "lazy people work twice as hard". I believe that advice to be true.

I know this doesn't help you and you're probably thinking up a crafty response to zing me back, but this post isn't for you. It's for the younger guys reading, perhaps wondering if they should keep up a logbook. Well, my advice to them is "yes you should lest you end up like this guy".

Fly safe and good luck.

Smart A$$.

 

[glasspilot]

Smart A$$.

Are you kidding?

He doesn't log a flight for what...3 years, and I"M a smart a$$?!?!?!

Common, really? How 'bout you give at least a mention of his laziness. No?

I didn't even bring up his frosted hair or backpack totein, ipod wearin strut in uniform down the terminal. I thought I showed amazing restraint!

Folks, this is LIFE! ya get one shot. Don't be lazy.

If you're CAREER involves a progression and requires a demonstration of experience then by all means log it!

 

[theskyking]

I'm with Glasspilot. You choose to not take the 15 minutes a month it would have taken, and now are looking for a short cut.

You get one chance at an interview. Find a way to get the information, and take the time to enter it correctly. If you can't or won't, then roll the dice and enter it any way you want. Why not just one entry for all the time that is missing? That way you can get back to watching TV that much quicker.

Sorry, just not a lot of tolerance here for laziness. You chose this as a career, and knew that the next step would require an up-to-date logbook.