Logbook Pro....is it almost as good as sex?

[rumpletumbler]

I have two logbooks because one got damaged and I loathe paper records anyhow and so I'm looking for something to ask for if the old heart is still pumping at Christmas time. I have no PDA so it would just be stand alone and I guess I would need a binder to go with it. That would make it like $200+ (yikes). Is it really that exciting?

 

[misty_brewer]

Ive switched to computer logs completely and Logbook Pro is by far the best solution out there. Its safer than a paper log, I email backup copies to a file archive site and my web based email every time I update it.

Additionally, it prints out just like the Jeppeson logs.

 

[rumpletumbler]

So only one person thinks this is worth the $?

 

[roundout]

i love it. makes filling out an 8710 pretty easy.

software as good as sex....heh. who are ya with?

 

[I.P. Freley]

So only one person thinks this is worth the $?

I have it and I like it. It's not perfect, but it has a very easy-to-configure interface and I can recommend it.

 

[schafjet]

I like mine, but I wish the PDA features were better. I don't think I paid $200 though.

 

[JediNein]

I like being able to print out just the entries the FAA Inspector wants to see, not the entire page of the logbook which might allow the Inspector to see more than he should see. The inspector is not going to find a violation completely unrelated to the current investigation.

It's like telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Which is cheaper? $200 for Logbook Pro, PDA companion, and the binder, the paper, the printer, ink, computer to run it, PDA, and so on versus any certificate action with the 'free' 30 minute consultation with an aviation lawyer that sez take the violation?

Need more?

Fly SAFE!
Jedi Nein

 

[KigAir]

I log my time into a spreadsheet. It's quick, simple and easy to customize.

 

[350DRIVER]

So only one person thinks this is worth the $?

I personally would never waste the money on such a program but that is just me. You are going to need to bring your actual hard copy logbook to future interviews so why one would ever want to do the work twice by putting times in the actual logbook then on some computer program is beyond my wildest imagination. I prefer to keep things simple and only have to log trips one time versus creating more work and doing it a second time. A friend of mine recently wasted the money on such a program and he finally came to his senses after we debated this issue and he is now doing as I and many others do by strictly using a logbook to log.

People will always argue and say "well if I lose my logbook", blah, blah, blah, then I will have a backup logbook on the computer", well that is great, fine, and dandy, but the simple task of photocopying the log pages will accomplish the same objective. Regardless, you still will have to transfer the numbers to a real hard copy log for interview purposes. I have met a few at interviews over the years who showed up with pages and pages of messy, and unorganized computer print outs and needless to say these folks didn't make it overly far into the interview process.

If you don't want a job then the above would probably work!!.

I think the bottom line comes down to personal preference, take your pick.

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[DrEvil]

350DRIVER,

You could not be farther from the truth. An electronic logbook is all you need, you do NOT need to have both a manual log and a software log. You can print out your logbook such as with Logbook Pro, sign the pages certifying they are true and correct, just as you do with your manual entry log, and that's it! There is NO difference in handwriting and computer generated as they BOTH must be signed for certifying the entries.

I have Logbook Pro and a MGOent binder with my printouts and their endorsement pages and that's all I've ever needed and it works like a champ!

When interview times comes have fun crunching your numbers with your logbook. It took me all of one hour to do my apps with Logbook Pro and the Analyzer and reports! Piece of cake!

 

[English]

I used my logbook pro logbook for my last interview, and they hired me.

 

[Daveman]

I used my logbook pro logbook for my last interview, and they hired me.

Yea, but is it as good as sex???

 

[English]

The job or the logbook?

 

[Daveman]

English

Logbook pro of course. No job could be as good as sex.
That's what thread starter Rumpleman said 'Logbook pro good as sex'. Looking for the female prospective!

 

[English]

Logbook Pro is nice, but to use it effectively, I still use Excel and then import into Logbook Pro. When making large numbers of entries, it is easier and faster to input into Excel first.

For me, Logbook Pro is only useful for the Jeppesen layout/template.

 

[Best on a Camel]

Try this if you want a free logbook program:


http://forpilots.com/logbook/

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

Logbook pro of course. No job could be as good as sex.
That's what thread starter Rumpleman said 'Logbook pro good as sex'. Looking for the female prospective!

Well, it does require an electrical source...

 

[Daveman]

Ahhh, batteries not included. What say you english.

 

[350DRIVER]

I used my logbook pro logbook for my last interview, and they hired me.

That is because you are the female pilot superwoman of this generation.

350DRIVER,

You could not be farther from the truth. An electronic logbook is all you need, you do NOT need to have both a manual log and a software log. You can print out your logbook such as with Logbook Pro, sign the pages certifying they are true and correct, just as you do with your manual entry log, and that's it! There is NO difference in handwriting and computer generated as they BOTH must be signed for certifying the entries.

I have Logbook Pro and a MGOent binder with my printouts and their endorsement pages and that's all I've ever needed and it works like a champ!

When interview times comes have fun crunching your numbers with your logbook. It took me all of one hour to do my apps with Logbook Pro and the Analyzer and reports! Piece of cake!

Evil,

I disagree.. They can be as neat and as correct as your little heart desires but it is no replacement for the original logbook with the endorsements in it. What would you tell the interviewer if he asks to see your high altitude endorsement or something else a long those lines?. It may have worked for you but all those I know who have gotten hired in recent times all interviewed with the original log(s).

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[minitour]

...
I disagree.. They can be as neat and as correct as your little heart desires but it is no replacement for the original logbook with the endorsements in it. What would you tell the interviewer if he asks to see your high altitude endorsement or something else a long those lines?...

Thats what I would worry about is endorsements, instructor signatures, etc.

Yeah I think the electronic printouts would be neater and more organized and all I would have to do is put them into a binder and away I go.

So how does that work for everyone? Being still in the training process, I'm having an instructor sign the book after almost every flight so this is a big concern for me right now.

I'm assuming after the CPL I may not need to show the instructor signatures for individual flights...but more along the lines of high altitude/high performance/tailwheel endorsements...stuff like that...

Any input? Thanks!

-mini

 

[350DRIVER]

Thats what I would worry about is endorsements, instructor signatures, etc.

Yeah I think the electronic printouts would be neater and more organized and all I would have to do is put them into a binder and away I go.

So how does that work for everyone? Being still in the training process, I'm having an instructor sign the book after almost every flight so this is a big concern for me right now.

I'm assuming after the CPL I may not need to show the instructor signatures for individual flights...but more along the lines of high altitude/high performance/tailwheel endorsements...stuff like that...

Any input? Thanks!

-mini

You could probably get away with it and fudge it somehow but why?. If it ain't broke then why fix it?. I have been to a fair share of interviews and I can honestly say that I never met one applicant who showed up without the original logbook(s).

You never know exactly what the interviewer may or may not ask to see, anything is fair game in your logbook(s). I have been asked to show endorsements on more than one occasion, really depends on the person and the company in which you are interviewing at.

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[DrEvil]

They can be as neat and as correct as your little heart desires but it is no replacement for the original logbook with the endorsements in it.

You didn't read my reply. As I stated, Logbook Pro can print out your logbook, you sign the pages, bind in one of the MGOent leather binders AND use the endorsement pages to place in your binder to capture those signatures. A binder is a binder! You can put in it whatever you want to make your logbook. The computerized printouts are actually preferred as the interviewers are well aware of Logbook Pro and know it proves the pilot is interested in compliance by taking the extra step to move to this level of tracking. From currencies, to the pilots desire to stay organized rather then some sloppy handwritten logbook. Sure, both is fine, but a computerized one is all you need these days AS LONG AS you comply with FAR requirements. That is where some fail here, they don't know the rules and how little logging is actually required to comply. Interviewers don't want a thesis of your logbooks, they want an accurate representation of your flight time, certified, with the endorsements, if any, etc.

Take for example military aviators. They don't need anything but their Form 5. Not even endorsements!

So 350, get into the 90's! Umm, 00's! Just like those that never wanted to buy a computer, you are only getting further behind!

 

[JetBlast2000]

I personally would never waste the money on such a program but that is just me. You are going to need to bring your actual hard copy logbook to future interviews so why one would ever want to do the work twice by putting times in the actual logbook then on some computer program is beyond my wildest imagination. I prefer to keep things simple and only have to log trips one time versus creating more work and doing it a second time. A friend of mine recently wasted the money on such a program and he finally came to his senses after we debated this issue and he is now doing as I and many others do by strictly using a logbook to log.

People will always argue and say "well if I lose my logbook", blah, blah, blah, then I will have a backup logbook on the computer", well that is great, fine, and dandy, but the simple task of photocopying the log pages will accomplish the same objective. Regardless, you still will have to transfer the numbers to a real hard copy log for interview purposes. I have met a few at interviews over the years who showed up with pages and pages of messy, and unorganized computer print outs and needless to say these folks didn't make it overly far into the interview process.

An electronic logbook is the way to go. I also have the Jepp logbook that my instructor signed after each flight, has all my endorsements, and is my original copy. The values of an electronic logbook comes when you are looking for a job. Each company wants hours laid out in a specific way. For example, last 90 days, last 6 months, last year, by a/c type, PIC, total time etc… I can break down my time in the above way, or by N#, airport’s I’ve been too, but most important is, I can break it down however the job application wants it. It takes about 15 mins at the end of the week. I made my own database in File Maker Pro, but I imagine most any logbook can do what’s needed. I bring my original to the interview and I’m done.



So, the value of an electronic logbook is much greater when you’re a low time guy looking for the next job.

 

[350DRIVER]

So 350, get into the 90's! Umm, 00's! Just like those that never wanted to buy a computer, you are only getting further behind!

As well versed as you think you are with all of your whopping 2,000 hours of experience in this industry I will take your word for what it is. I don't think I will be changing anything, didn't get to where I am today by the luck of the Irish but I do appreciate your concern.

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[Diesel]

How does it sync up with your pocket pc?


I'm looking to use primarily on a ipaq so i'm wondering how good is the ipaq interface?

Thks for the info.

 

[fatburger]

350,

Doesn't look like you have a world of experience either! And where, exactly, have you gotten in your career?

-fatburger-

 

[BoDEAN]

Bought it, use it, love it.

 

[350DRIVER]

350,

Doesn't look like you have a world of experience either! And where, exactly, have you gotten in your career?

-fatburger-

I have done quite well and have no complaints thus far but I truly do appreciate your concern. Thank you much... Ya know what the kicker is too? I never interviewed at one place with anything but my original logbooks.

A320 to corporate?... Things that make one go hmmmmmmmm...

cheers al mighty,

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[fatburger]

350,


It's called a furlough and I hope you never have to experience one. Out 11 months but lucky enough to land a sweet gig. As the saying goes, You're not a real airline pilot until you've experienced at least one furlough!

hmmmmm.

-fatburger-

 

[DrEvil]

I have done quite well and have no complaints thus far but I truly do appreciate your concern. Thank you much... Ya know what the kicker is too? I never interviewed at one place with anything but my original logbooks.

A320 to corporate?... Things that make one go hmmmmmmmm...

cheers al mighty,

3 5 0

Nobody stated here handwritten logbooks are a detriment! By the way 3 5 0, when was your LAST aviation interview?