Little Red Book not acceptable?

[Cardinal]

Is it acceptable/appropriate to bring the little, red, pocketsize crew logs to an interview? I did so recently, and the interviewer picked it up and held it like it was a rotten banana peel, frowned in a similar fashion, and seemed incredulous that I would have the gall to bring such a detestable thing to an airline interview. Mind you it was well kept and properly totalled.

Am I expected to copy everything into a big green book? If so, I didn't get that memo. I can't imagine a guy furloughed from USAir after 15 years copying all that crap into a separate logbook, what does it prove? If I just toss each months totals into a more formal logbook, is that good enough?

- Clueless (apparently) in DEN

 

[Swaayze]

I am on LRL #7 and didn't have any problems with the last 4 interviews I've been on (3 of them with airlines). I was offered all 4 jobs. I neatly labeled the front of each book with the effective dates and I do a monthly entry in my master log. I then give them the master logs and offer the LRLs if they want them. I doubt they ever even really look at the LRLs. I'm sure it just depends on which airlines and which interviewers you're dealing with. I'd definitely recommend doing (at least) a monthly entry in your master log so they can easily review your totals and recency of experience and offer the LRLs as "the details".

 

[blott]

I also do the monthly totals in my "paper copy". But the day to day stuff is all digital. Next time hand them a disk and look at them like they are stupid...

 

[~~~^~~~]

I saved the crew logs, as you did, and did a Microsoft Access database to provide an easy to refer to "Master Copy," which I signed at the bottom. Not only did my airline find it satisfactory, the FAA complimented it during my type ride.

As long as you have the requirements of a flight log met, you can write it on tree bark with a burnt stick. But, like everything else in interviewing, presentation is the key. The interviewer that sees a presentation of sloppy logs can easily imagine being called in the Chief Pilot's office to explain whay the ship's logs were sloppy, or incorrect.

As long as you have a clean, simple, system that meets the requirements, you should be fine.

 

[TWA Dude]

Am I expected to copy everything into a big green book? If so, I didn't get that memo. I can't imagine a guy furloughed from USAir after 15 years copying all that crap into a separate logbook, what does it prove? If I just toss each months totals into a more formal logbook, is that good enough?

Furloughees are generally given leeway if they haven't kept up their logbooks for the last 10 years. They can get printouts from their airline certifying their flight time totals.

For non-furloughees I'd strongly recommend a traditional logbook, be it handwritten or a full printout from an electronic one. I've always used the little red book for my own use and transferred the totals to my logbook, one day per line. (Note: there are many discussions about how people log their multi-leg days. I can guarantee that one line/one day is sufficient; one line/one month is debatable.) Remember that you want to make it easy for the interviewers to scan your flight experience. Considering I'm now on my fourth airline I'm darned glad I've always kept up my logbook (and I do both paper and electronic as a backup). Yes, it's a pain but IMHO worth it.

Dude

 

[DrinkSweetTea]

Is it acceptable/appropriate to bring the little, red, pocketsize crew logs to an interview? I did so recently, and the interviewer picked it up and held it like it was a rotten banana peel, frowned in a similar fashion, and seemed incredulous that I would have the gall to bring such a detestable thing to an airline interview. Mind you it was well kept and properly totalled.

Am I expected to copy everything into a big green book? If so, I didn't get that memo. I can't imagine a guy furloughed from USAir after 15 years copying all that crap into a separate logbook, what does it prove? If I just toss each months totals into a more formal logbook, is that good enough?

- Clueless (apparently) in DEN

Get the job anyways?

 

[typhoonpilot]

One more thing to add to TWA Dude's post is that if you ever think you will be looking for a job overseas take the time to get an official company stamp on every log book page or have your chief pilot/D.O. sign your log book.

You should see the European's log books, they look so much more official than ours.

Typhoonpilot

 

[Sticky]

hmm....I thought you guys were talking about Mao's little red book...

 

[Oakum_Boy]

You should see the European's log books, they look so much more official than ours.

Only because they're all cheats and liars!

 

[Cardinal]

Re: Re: Little Red Book not acceptable?

Get the job anyways?

Thank you for your interest in a career with ExpressJet. At this time, we do not have opportunities available that match your experience and skills. However, if a position more closely suited to your background develops, we will be happy to review your qualifications at that time.

Again, we appreciate your interest and wish you success in your job search.

 

[bafanguy]

One more thing to add to TWA Dude's post is that if you ever think you will be looking for a job overseas take the time to get an official company stamp on every log book page or have your chief pilot/D.O. sign your log book.

You should see the European's log books, they look so much more official than ours.

Typhoonpilot

"Official company stamp ??? " That would be a smeary thumb print in a blob of BBQ sauce 'round here, Boy !!

 

[T-Gates]

Re: Re: Re: Little Red Book not acceptab

Cardinal,

It was Express Jet....nuff' said!

 

[Cardinal]

LOL. I hear ya.

 

[huncowboy]

"Official company stamp ??? " That would be a smeary thumb print in a blob of BBQ sauce 'round here, Boy !!

Stupid but so true... Stamps are outdated yet in Europe if there is no stamp, than "das ist nicht gut". Everything has a stamp. Contracts, the doctor stamping your prescription, my driver's license, my diploma, an inventory list, I have seen stamp even on a menu in a restaurant (this was in the communism though)... even inventory items like a desk, or a typewriter got stamped. At least at the places I have spent some time at. In some countries there are even rules about who can stamp, and who can hold a stamp. In Hungary if you have an official company stamp, it will also have a number that has to be registered when/after you register your company... and than there are the dry stamps LOL... omg I haven't been thinking of stamps for a long while. Imagine, you drive to a place to sign a contract and you've left the stamp 200km away.

When I got my first US job and started to review existing company contracts etc... something seemed wrong. I was missing that stamp LOL. When I finally asked I got some weird looks: "What stamps? The one we stamp the deposit slip with?"

sorry for the irrelevant info and for the sidetrack... just some memories...

 

[bafanguy]

huncowboy,

Actually, that's kinda interesting...never heard of such a thing. But then, if it didn't happen between ATL and HSV, I probably didn't know much about it. Learn stuff all the time....thx.

 

[Swaayze]

Well, glad I cancelled my interview there! Guess it would've been a waste of everyone's time.

 

[DirkkDiggler]

Cardinal,

I think you answered your own question about whether the red book is acceptable or not. If you got the impression that the interviewer didn't like it then it seems to me that a real "green" logbook is a requirement at an interview. Unless you have some very good inside information that a particular airline is not fussy about their logbooks then I guess you should just put in the extra effort and provide a proffesional looking logbook. Personally, if I were doing the hiring and I had two candidates for one pilot position and they were both qualified, then it would come down to appearance and professionalism. A tidy logbook is just one way to get ahead in both departments! One hoop at a time!