Limit on re-calls from furlough?

[SWA/FO]

Hey,

is there a time limit on a recall notice? I mean after so many years does one lose their recall rights? Some folks are approaching 5 years on furlough (right?) will they be able to go back, someday? I remember some folks being furloughed for 11 years or so at US Air.

 

[magrs]

We have unlimited at American, that is until the APA signs that away also!

 

[737 Pylt]

Hey,

is there a time limit on a recall notice? I mean after so many years does one lose their recall rights? Some folks are approaching 5 years on furlough (right?) will they be able to go back, someday? I remember some folks being furloughed for 11 years or so at US Air.

DL is 10 once you bypass. We have a lot of folks at Jet Blue, some of which are now captains....I guess its good to have options...Bad thing is that when you bypass your seniority is frozen.
737

 

[xcrew]

Seniority or longevity?

 

[Pat Fabin]

Your longevity for pay and other purposes is frozen when you bypass. The 10 year clock at Delta actually starts ticking on your furlough date. If you bypass you can only come back when we are recalling or having a new-hire class....so if you do bypass, its a calculated risk. But then, again...so is coming back! While on furlough at DAL you continue to accrue longevity for pay, vacation, sick time, etc. purposes.

-PF (furloughed for 3 years)

 

[TWA Dude]

To clarify, at AA there's no time limit for recall rights, however, once you've been offered recall you may only defer for three years past the time the last furloughee is recalled. Seniority is kept but longevity stagnates if recall is deferred. Pretty good deal

 

[FlyingSig]

DL is 10 once you bypass. We have a lot of folks at Jet Blue, some of which are now captains....I guess its good to have options...Bad thing is that when you bypass your seniority is frozen.
737

Actually it's 10 from Date of Furlough. The "risk" of bypassing is that there will be no recall/newhire classes before the 10 years is up.

 

[Andy]

UAL went from 7 to 10 years in the last (C2003) contract.
You can bypass and accrue seniority (I believe longevity's frozen). When they get to the most junior pilot furloughed, they go back up the list for all bypassers. This is the last chance for a bypasser to return to UAL.
A bypasser (prior to the second/last recall offer) can also accept recall at any time that the company has recall classes.

 

[sonny320]

Hey,

is there a time limit on a recall notice? I mean after so many years does one lose their recall rights? Some folks are approaching 5 years on furlough (right?) will they be able to go back, someday? I remember some folks being furloughed for 11 years or so at US Air.

USAirways has no time limit from furloughees to accept recall. You can pass recall as long as they're junior pilots furloughed below you. Once they go through the entire list then they start calling in reverse seniority, if you should pass recall at that time then you're officially off the list.

Also the longest a US Air pilot has been furloughed is just under 7 1/2 years. That was back in 1991-1998. Hope this info helps.

 

[737 Pylt]

Actually it's 10 from Date of Furlough. The "risk" of bypassing is that there will be no recall/newhire classes before the 10 years is up.

My bad....Thanks...Sometimes I type quicker than I think, which as you can see is not very fast!
737

 

[SWA/FO]

thanks - I was thinking it was 5 years at some places...

 

[Andy]

Anyone know of any pilots who lost recall rights due to time limits?
I've heard of several past cases where they extended recall rights to allow everyone to come back who wanted to.

 

[filejw]

In the new NWA TA its 14 yrs.

 

[Spooky 2]

Anyone know of any pilots who lost recall rights due to time limits?
I've heard of several past cases where they extended recall rights to allow everyone to come back who wanted to.

Andy, many years ago the recall rights were fairly short. Certainly nothing beyond 5 years at the most. UAL even had a policy that basically precluded you from any reacall if you had worked for another carrier in the interim. This was early 60's stuff and thankfully that is no longer acceptable. Prior to all this crap the airlines are in now, Pan Am probably had guys out the longest, some in excess of ten years and as far as I know they were all given a chance to come back if they wanted to.

 

[airline#5]

My sh1thole ex employer ATA will happily cut the cord after only three years. Thanks to all the senior jags that likely negotiated a longer furlough away for top captain pay of a few cents more. Meanwhile my "B" plan money of about $7000 is gone because I wasn't vested , and the union d|ickheads had me donate 500$ to a merger fund, just before they furloughed me. ALPA and ATA BLOW. Give me my money back!!!

 

[WMUSIGPI]

I know this is the "Major" board but I'll throw this out just for reference. At Mesaba those of us furloughed are NOT accruing longevity until we are recalled. We do continue to gain seniority, which really means nothing except to the voluntary furloughs that wouldn't have been laid off otherwise. Pay raises, vacation, sick time, ect. is all based on longevity. We do get the 1 bypass oportunity though without further penalty.

 

[Andy]

Andy, many years ago the recall rights were fairly short. Certainly nothing beyond 5 years at the most. UAL even had a policy that basically precluded you from any reacall if you had worked for another carrier in the interim. This was early 60's stuff and thankfully that is no longer acceptable. Prior to all this crap the airlines are in now, Pan Am probably had guys out the longest, some in excess of ten years and as far as I know they were all given a chance to come back if they wanted to.

Spooky2, thanks for the history.
I read somewhere that there were Pan Am guys on furlough for up to 12-13 yrs and were recalled; they kept extending recall rights.
I hope that ATA doesn't screw their furloughees; that ain't right. Good luck to ya, airline#5 (your screen name says that you've been in the wrong place at the wrong time; sorry 'bout that).

 

[njcapt]

My sh1thole ex employer ATA will happily cut the cord after only three years. Thanks to all the senior jags that likely negotiated a longer furlough away for top captain pay of a few cents more. Meanwhile my "B" plan money of about $7000 is gone because I wasn't vested , and the union d|ickheads had me donate 500$ to a merger fund, just before they furloughed me. ALPA and ATA BLOW. Give me my money back!!!

I can't begin to relate how moronic your post is. First, your furlough is active for five years, not three. Second, the five year term is for all pilots, not just 'senior jags'. Third, everybody has been vested in the B-fund since a 'partial plan termination' has occurred due to the scope of the furloughs. I'm not sure of the status of the merger fund, but I was under the impression that it was refundable upon furlough/resignation. Did you even try to contact anyone about these issues, or are you trying to get you pound of flesh by bitching about it on the internet?

In the future I suggest sobering up before posting.