Like PilotYIP says, Skip College

[turbodriver]

First off, it is not necessary to go to a 4-yr college right out of high school to end up at a major airline. Because college has nothing to do with flying an airplane, now I will admit it may have an effect on getting an interview and hired after you have 1000's of hour flying someplace else that could give a hoot about a college degree. This following example in the model of success in pursing flying job. We hired a 20 year old pilot about 8 years ago. He had 1 year of on-line college credit completed. He had started working the ramp pumping gas in high school, got hired hauling cargo in SA-227 as an F/O for no pay, at 18, got promoted to 208 Capt. at age 20. When we hired him, he had 1600 TT, 1100 MEL, 350 Turbine PIC, 1450 total turbine. He is started as a DA-20 F/O at $33K/yr, he made a DA-20 Capt at age 23. His on-line degree in Aviation Management was completed by the time he was 26 years old and he had a DC-9 type. At that time he had 4000 TT, 2800 MEL, 2800 Turbine, 2000 hours 121 time, 1200 121 Turbo Jet PIC and two TJ type ratings. He has his on-line BS degree in Aviation Management, and no debt. He interviewed with a major and was offered a job. The traditional 4-yr. degree guy at age 26 who has 1200 TT 350 MEL 15 Turbine was not offered an interview. Who is the more competitive? Remember you enter this career because you like to fly airplanes, hang around airports and drink beer with other pilots.

What's your point? He has a degree, but you're saying that you don't need one?

 

[pilotyip]

What's your point? He has a degree, but you're saying that you don't need one?

No I have never said that. Where have I said you should not go to college? I have said it has nothing to do with flying an airplane. I know too many good pilots without degrees. I have said that the pursuit of a degree that does not lead to a decent job is a waste of time in college. I have that said going to college part time or on-line is an alternate way to get a degree. I have never said "Do not go to college" My only dog in this fight is the mindset of many posters that "you must go the 4 years of college right out of high school" or you are a failure and not be really "Cool" like me. College is not for everyone, there are too many successful people out there who did not go to college. BTW Anyone considering college and does not come away with the intent of this thread is not college material to start with.

 

[chignutsak]

While going into the Navy as a nuke tech, is honorable. There is some thinking required. One thought: when you get out, will there be nuke plants or wind farms? Will you be able to get insurance as a civilian due to the radiation exposure. (There's always some.) If your child gets through that school, and continues to getting a nuclear engineering degree (w/ Dr?) then she'll be in the 98th percentile and set. A little schoolin' never hurt nobody.

Occupational exposure in the Navy nuclear industry is minimal. Even in a shipyard overhaul period your exposure is probably less than a guy flying transcons during the same period. During my 4 years in the program I received less exposure than I would have received laying on the beach at sea level.

 

[waveflyer]

There is some intrinsic value to education- developing yourself both inside and out will lead to a wiser more productive life.
I am a proponent of compulsory military service- the extra maturity and discipline would make a lot of kids college experience more productive- and maybe we'd think a bit more about the wars we start if everyone's kids were over there.
IMHO

 

[chignutsak]

...I am a proponent of compulsory military service- the extra maturity and discipline would make a lot of kids college experience more productive- and maybe we'd think a bit more about the wars we start if everyone's kids were over there. IMHO

Truer words never spoken...

 

[pilotyip]

There is some intrinsic value to education- developing yourself both inside and out will lead to a wiser more productive life.
I am a proponent of compulsory military service- the extra maturity and discipline would make a lot of kids college experience more productive- and maybe we'd think a bit more about the wars we start if everyone's kids were over there.
IMHO

here is something we agree upon

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Getting flying advice from pilotyip is akin to getting peace advice from Al Qaeda

 

[jonjuan]

There is some intrinsic value to education- developing yourself both inside and out will lead to a wiser more productive life.
I am a proponent of compulsory military service- the extra maturity and discipline would make a lot of kids college experience more productive- and maybe we'd think a bit more about the wars we start if everyone's kids were over there.
IMHO

Which war did we "start?"

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Which war did we "start?"

You have to understand he gets most of his news from msnbc or the jon stewart show!

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Which war did we "start?"

You don't think we started the war in Iraq? Read much?