Level D Sim Time

[GearUpBitch]

I'm having a total brain fart. I'm doing my logbook (1st time in 3 years) and can't remember if you can/should log Level D sim time as Total Time or flight simulator only? I think I logged it total time during intial training but now I'm not sure if that is right? Someone please help so I can keep going tonight. Many thanks. GUB

 

[capt_zman]

Simulator column only.

 

["GO AROUND"]

Wrong, level D sim time is logged just like real flight time. That's what the FAA told me. You still have to put it in the sim column too, but it is total, me, and any other column that applies.

 

[capt_zman]

Ah, wrong. Level D sim is just what says, sim time only. Can't log it as total time. Do a search, I think you'll find the answer about 200 times.

Sim is sim, plain and simple.

Here's a thread:
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=76566&highlight=simulator

Another:
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=74157&highlight=simulator

And one more:
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=72316&highlight=simulator

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Oh boy...here we go.

 

[jobear]

Why would you even log it?

 

[viper548]

The landings and approaches count toward currency. Also, the sim training is required under part 121 so that's why you log it. If you went into a level D sim just for the hell of it and you don't need the currency, there's no point in logging it.

 

[capt_zman]

That is exactly why you log it, under the simulator column.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Look, I'm not trying to flame you here, but if you're so low time that you need to log sim, then you probably have bigger problems... know what I mean?

I've always been told that interviewers aren't interested in sim time and will subtract it out of your total time. So unless you're going for an FAA job, I'd just go ahead and leave it out. If you're not planning on interviewing anytime soon, then why bother log it anyhow? You'll get enough real flying soon enough.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

It counts towards currency... thus...


I logged it as total, multi, turbine, simulated instrument, and flight sim.

Just account for it.. if they ask, they can take it out. It can only count towards up to 100 hours of your total time when applying to a rating, so sayeth the FAA to me.

 

[capt_zman]

"I logged it as total, multi, turbine, simulated instrument, and flight sim."


I don't get it. The FAR's are clear and concise as to the definition of flight time.

 

[CapnVegetto]

Here is the correct answer:

IT DEPENDS ON WHICH FED YOU TALK TO.

Every single one of 'em interprets the regs differently. One of them will say you can, one will say you can't. I personally know of one in Mississippi that swears up and down on the Holy Bible that you can't long dual recieved and PIC at the same time, and if you send a student to him for a checkride with that in their logbook, he'll send 'em home. I've argued with him and quoted FAR's to him till I'm blue in the face, and he's quoted FAR's to me and argued with me till he's blue in the face. In the end, all you can do is just read and interpret the regs however you think is right, and do it. Take your logs to one FSDO, and they'll agree with it. Take it to another, they'll throw it out. What's a guy to do?

Personally, I don't count it as flight time. But as far as insurance companies go, it's total time. Most policies now say "total LOGGED time". Well, sim time is logged isn't it?? Just not in the total time column. As far as I'm concerned, that means it counts.

 

[mamba20]

You can log it as sim time only. I've heard people say that it counts as flight time, it dosent! Its not an airplane, your not really flying so therefore its not real flight time. Many airlines will want to know why you put that in your total time colume and some wont like it. Just the way it is. Put it as sim only, that way no matter what the FAA or whoever says you never need to explain it if it comes up. Better safe then sorry.

 

[PA31Ho]

If you put in your resume that you have 50 in type (and it's actually all in a level D sim)... they probably will send you home anyway, so it's really is pointless... depends on which fed you ask - for sure!

I never have loged that stuff. I was at a flight school the other day talking to this flight instructor who said "yea I just got my 1200TT mark last night so now I can go work for a 135 company my buddy is hooking me up with"... I asked him what kind of plane and he responded "well, i now have 30 hours in a king air because i spent a few days in the sim" ... my jaw dropped... somebody at that level (a flight instructor) to say something so stupid... amazes me what goes on!

 

[5ontheglide]

wow.

Total FLIGHT time!!! What sim got off the ground? Log the landings, approaches and sim time only - the stuff that can keep you current, otherwise you're going to come across at an interview as a flight time fudger! Sure you could tell/show them how you logged it and give the name of some FED who gave you his opinion, but if you play conservative and log only the rock solid stuff - you'll be more respected. -MY .02

 

[twinbeech]

Even when I didn't have a lot of time I still never considered logging sim time. The time ain't real unless you can kill yourself when you f up.

 

[Saabslime]

Just leave all sim time thats not aquired towards a rating out of your logbook and make your life easier. Any level C or D you're flying for currency is being tracked by your company anway so just keep the "reciept" from the check-airman for your records. I haven't logged any sim except for when I was getting my instrument rating and have never had it questioned in an interview or otherwise why I only have about 20 hours of sim accounted for. It just isn't important.........

 

["GO AROUND"]

"I logged it as total, multi, turbine, simulated instrument, and flight sim."


I don't get it. The FAR's are clear and concise as to the definition of flight time.

FAR's and clear and concise. Now there's the biggest contradiction in terms.

Let me get this straight, Because I did my type in the CRJ in a level D sim and it didn't leave the ground it is not valid? The FAA certifies Level D sims to be as realistic as the actual airplane. This is why there is no more 85/15 type rides like my E120(level C) type anymore in a level D sim.

All the check airman/APD's and Feds at my airline say to log it as all that applies.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

If they don't like it in an interview, they can subtract it. I've never had a problem with it, and won't ever. It's clearly notated where it is in the logbook and is easily subtractable. I don't need the flying time to count for any of my ratings (except the fact that I got my CRJ type in a level D sim), but it's a record of my experiences as a pilot. In fact, the heavy jet sim time that I had in there was a good point of conversation during my interview at my current airline. Although it was a minor part of my flying time, it had a huge impact on the way I viewed how to operate an aircraft.

 

["GO AROUND"]

I didn't think we were ever talking about padding a logbook with level D sim time. Mine is all for training, pc's, or lofts, less than 100 or so hours and they can subtract it if they have a problem with it.