Level D sim time

[sjflyer]

What is the proper way to log Level D sim time?


Thanks,

SJFLYER

 

[ASH]

I log it in the Flight Simulator Column, and the Total Time column. While others may dis-agree with me, I have reasoned that it is very valuable time, it is certified by the FAA. if you are interviewing, you let THEM make the determination whether or not thewy want to count it toward your Total Time. I am now flying for my 3rd airline, and all have looked favorably on it. never even brought up after logbook examination. Those are tough hours in the sim. Take credit for them. IMHO

 

[flx757]

This is one of the most asked...and answered, question on this board.

It is SIM time. It can also be used as per CFR Part 61 to count toward a certificate or rating. It can also be used for instrument and landing currency.

What it is NOT is flight time. Therefore it cannot be total time, no matter how one tries to rationalize it in their own mind. I will have to admit that "those are tough hours in the sim. Take credit for them." is one of the better ones I have ever heard.

Then again, it's your logbook. Log whatever you want. Just be prepared to justify it, if required. One thing is certain. No one will ever require justification for sim time logged as sim time.

 

[philo beddoe]

Suppose you already have enought total time to get the interview.

No problem, then, you didn't need the sim logged as total.

Suppose you have almost enough total time to get the interview, but the sim time logged as total pushes you over the top.

You may find yourself in the extremely uncomfortable situation of explaining yourself to the interviewer. You could even get booted from the interview if they feel you misrepresented yourself.

Just say no.

 

[flybrowntails]

flx757:

bingo--you nailed it. it is what it is.

(i can log c-152 time under my jet column--its my logbook but it is what it is. )

fbt

 

[ASH]

Like I said, I have sat in front of 3 airlines ( hired at all ) and none have sad a peep about it. I will note though, that in the interest of clarification, I put an asterik on the bottom, and indicater that the TT includes all Level D simulation. if the airlines take it, so should we. I probably stand alone on this one...I digress

 

[cosmotheassman]

I worked at Simuflite for 3 years. Every FAA guy that did check rides said to log it TT and simulator time. Their reasoning was that, the FAA will qualify you to fly an airplane without ever actually getting into the real airplane; therefore, why wouldn't it count? One guy said, "that would make us hypocrits". The local FSDO said to log it as sim time and TT as well. It is only the companies that decide to count or not, not the FAA. The FAA says these sims are good enough to fully qualify you, then I would log it...

 

[saabcaptain]

I log it in the Flight Simulator Column, and the Total Time column. While others may dis-agree with me, I have reasoned that it is very valuable time, it is certified by the FAA. if you are interviewing, you let THEM make the determination whether or not thewy want to count it toward your Total Time. I am now flying for my 3rd airline, and all have looked favorably on it. never even brought up after logbook examination. Those are tough hours in the sim. Take credit for them. IMHO

you don't want to do this, trust me. if an interviewer feels that you are padding total time, they won't just "subtract it" they'll simply not hire you.

when it comes to logging time the MOST CONSERVATIVE interpretation of adding ANY type of hours is the way to go.

 

[ASH]

I worked at Simuflite for 3 years. Every FAA guy that did check rides said to log it TT and simulator time. Their reasoning was that, the FAA will qualify you to fly an airplane without ever actually getting into the real airplane; therefore, why wouldn't it count? One guy said, "that would make us hypocrits". The local FSDO said to log it as sim time and TT as well. It is only the companies that decide to count or not, not the FAA. The FAA says these sims are good enough to fully qualify you, then I would log it...


I would have to agree with the FAA sentiments on that one.

 

[generaltso]

I always did not count level D sim time toward anything. Yes it would have given me 100 hours more, but it is safer NOT to count it. If your ever going to an interview and they look through it and the guy questions it (even if he or she is wrong), your SOL. I logged it, but didn't count it toward anything.

 

[350DRIVER]

I worked at Simuflite for 3 years. Every FAA guy that did check rides said to log it TT and simulator time. Their reasoning was that, the FAA will qualify you to fly an airplane without ever actually getting into the real airplane; therefore, why wouldn't it count? One guy said, "that would make us hypocrits". The local FSDO said to log it as sim time and TT as well. It is only the companies that decide to count or not, not the FAA. The FAA says these sims are good enough to fully qualify you, then I would log it...


I would have to agree with the FAA sentiments on that one.

I agree with the above. I have heard the same thing from the inspectors that I have spoken with. Total time and sim time would both be appropriate with regards to the logging of this time.

good luck,

3 5 0

 

[TWA Dude]

The FAA says these sims are good enough to fully qualify you, then I would log it...

If you're interviewing for a job with the FAA then you're set. However if you're interviewing for an AIRLINE job I recommend keeping SIM time and flight time separate. I like avoiding worry. Yes, you can legally log it as TT but that doesn't mean it's a good idea. I originally did log my SIM time but I later subracted it out. FWIW at my United inteview they specifically thanked me for doing it.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

I agree, sim time is...uh...sim time. Were you flying? uh...no.

Legal FAA or not, Joe Normal Pilot ,as your interviewer, may just find it "odd" that you log sim time as flight time and may decide to go over your logbook a little closer....or even easier....thank you and just hire they guy before you...

Dont worry about the legal thing, do the smart thing.

 

[CRJDog]

I worked at Simuflite for 3 years. Every FAA guy that did check rides said to log it TT and simulator time. Their reasoning was that, the FAA will qualify you to fly an airplane without ever actually getting into the real airplane; therefore, why wouldn't it count? One guy said, "that would make us hypocrits". The local FSDO said to log it as sim time and TT as well. It is only the companies that decide to count or not, not the FAA. The FAA says these sims are good enough to fully qualify you, then I would log it...

I agree.

 

[DoinTime]

This is one of the most asked...and answered, question on this board.

It is SIM time. It can also be used as per CFR Part 61 to count toward a certificate or rating. It can also be used for instrument and landing currency.

What it is NOT is flight time. Therefore it cannot be total time, no matter how one tries to rationalize it in their own mind. I will have to admit that "those are tough hours in the sim. Take credit for them." is one of the better ones I have ever heard.

Then again, it's your logbook. Log whatever you want. Just be prepared to justify it, if required. One thing is certain. No one will ever require justification for sim time logged as sim time.

CFR 14 part 61.1.b.1:

(1) Aeronautical experience means pilot time obtained in an aircraft, flight simulator, or flight training device for meeting the appropriate training and flight time requirements for an airman certificate, rating, flight review, or recency of flight experience requirements of this part.


I agree that you will never be questioned about logging sim time as sim time only and thats the way I log it but people that want to log it as TT do have an argument. Legal to log or not the only thing that will matter in an interview is the opionion of the interveiwer.

 

[flx757]

DoinTime,

Since you quoted a portion of Part 61 that I mentioned with regard to using that experience to be used toward a certificate or rating, read it a bit more closely. It says pilot time. Now go to Part 1 and read the definitions of pilot time and flight time.

Personally, I use flight time as the basis for what I consider total time. Total flight time.

Of course, you can log whatever you see fit. As someone else mentioned, if you feel like logging C-152 time as jet time, have at it. It's your logbook. Just be prepared to justify it, should anyone ask. And I will say for the umpteenth time on this board (and final one, I might add...I grow tired of answering and reanswering this same question. I'll let my previous answers stand if anyone cares about my opinion...) that simulator time is not flight time, therefore should not be counted as any flight time...not total time, not MEL, not PIC, etc. It is sim time. Period. And no one will EVER question my logbook with regards to this time. But if anyone feels they need the few hours that this sim time is going to give you, if you feel it is going to make all the difference in the world, then by all means...log it. After all...it's your logbook.

 

[philo beddoe]

If I am interviewing against any of these guys, I would like to encourage them to log all hours sitting on the FBO sofa coaching students as 'dual given' - you'll weed yourselves out and I'll get a better shot at the job.

You're insane to log it as FLIGHT TIME.

 

[ASH]

Were not logging it under a flight column, were putting it under a Total column.


You say Tomato, I say Tomoto....You'd figure after being at my third Airline, I would have heard about it being a problem by now....

 

[Mel Sharples]

Were not logging it under a flight column, were putting it under a Total column.

You say Tomato, I say Tomoto....You'd figure after being at my third Airline, I would have heard about it being a problem by now....

You're right. I feel the same way. I've been at four airlines now and nobody has figured out that 850 hours in my logbook are fake. I also have 275 as PIC in a King Air. I wasn't flying, but I did run the radios.

Airlines are so dumb. I just log what I want.

Alright... sorry for the sarcasm, but this is nuts. If it's not a plane, it is not total flight time. Period. Pilot time? Yes. Flight time? No.

Airlines want flight time, not pilot time. Otherwise you could find a buddy that works at a sim place and log 10,000 of B-747 time. According to your definition, that would be just fine to log in the TOTAL column.

Nothing personal, but logging sim as total is crazy. Our local Fed said, "You can log whatever you want in your logbook. You just can't use that time for a certificate or rating."

The feds don't care what is in your logbook, but I don't think there is an airline in the U.S. that would think SIM as TOTAL is okay.

Fly safe...

 

[ASH]

Crazy or not...airlines no care...me no care