LearJet @ 90 degrees nose-up pitch.

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Is this really possible? I just bought microsoft flight-simulator, and I had the Learjet 45 at 90 degrees pitch, and the aircraft just hovered motionless while sustaining altitude. Seems impossible....

Anyway, this simulator is pretty neat. There is a HUGE database of airports in there, including my own. The runways were not only numbered and in the exact same orientation, but even the field elevation was displayed on the altimeter!!! Even the tower, hangers, and taxiways were in the right place! I had no idea there was any type of simulator with actual airports included in the database!!!

 

[TrafficInSight]

wouldn't believe everything you see on flightsim

 

[Vandal]

oh yeah...With the thrust to weight ratio on those engines the lear climbs straight up all the time. I mean if it's in microsoft flightsim it must be true I think.

 

[mtrv]

Is this really possible? I just bought microsoft flight-simulator, and I had the Learjet 45 at 90 degrees pitch, and the aircraft just hovered motionless while sustaining altitude. Seems impossible....

Even though 90 degree climbs are certainly out of the everyday flight envelope for the Lear, the Microsoft model WON'T sustain altitude either. It runs out of forward momentum, stalls, and pitches nose down. What may look motionless from an outside view, isn't, when you're watching the altitude readout.

And also keep in mind, that the included models are for the masses . They don't make an attempt to model every circumstance. Many third party add-ons go a lot farther in modeling flight dynamics.

 

[RedDogC130]

I can tell you that the Lears can. Probably only the 20 series due to the excess thrust can reach vertical for mabye a few seconds. The 30 40 50 and 60 series will not. I flew 20 and 30 series and the 20s out perform the 30 series no prob. The turbojet versus turbofan is no comparison. The man that does the aero show is in a Lear 23 if I am not wrong. I saw him once in FL. Very neat to see a plane you fly do some neat stuff.

 

[Bandit60]

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I believe there is a guy who does an aerobatics show in a black and red Lear 23. Now that would be a ride!!

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Here it is....linky

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You are correct. There is a person that does aerobatics in a Lear

 

[starchkr]

He has a beech-18 as well...both planes based in Springdale, AR. I used to get glimpses of them when i would fly in there every day, pretty planes.

 

[fastandlow]

Bobby Younkin - a real aviator in my book. Also does a Decathlon and Samson biplane show. Graceful and smooth. Anyone can jerk a plane around, but acro smoothly and gracefully flown takes an aviator. ala Bob Hoover in the Sabre liner and Shrike Commander. Saw one of his last shows at Reno in '99. Classic.

 

[leardrivr]

I think the best I ever saw was about 40 degrees nose up holding 200 knots in 23-095. I only had about 1500 pounds on board and the surface temp was about -5F. I think I got to 17500 feet in 90 seconds or so. One time I got that same 23 to FL410 in 9 miniuts 55 seconds too. I sure miss flying the 20 series lears.

 

[jetdriven]

you can get 90 degrees pitch in a cessna 150 aerobat, albeit not for very long. Its all about energy management.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Lear climb rate

Lear 25, 3K to 14K in <30 seconds. Looked like a shuttle launch looking over at the other guy versus the cloud deck we were climbing through!!

But still, only 25-30 degrees +/-5 degrees nose up. Not sustainable either

Will climb at altitude also.
ATC: "can you be at FLXXX in less than 3 mins?"
Answer was always YES

Great airplane to fly!!

CL-65 = 2.5 degrees nose up, 500 FPM on a GOOD day

 

[rumpletumbler]

I think the best I ever saw was about 40 degrees nose up holding 200 knots in 23-095. I only had about 1500 pounds on board and the surface temp was about -5F. I think I got to 17500 feet in 90 seconds or so. One time I got that same 23 to FL410 in 9 miniuts 55 seconds too. I sure miss flying the 20 series lears.

How does the pressurization keep up?

 

[WillowRunVortex]

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I believe there is a guy who does an aerobatics show in a black and red Lear 23. Now that would be a ride!!

EDIT:

Here it is....linky

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Hey YIP that lear used to be N13SN. Ive flown it. Kalitta had it before it became a show stopper. Barry Seal had it before that. It is a 23 serial # 9. Old bird