Jumpseat

[1900dr]

Just had a Q on jumpseating. Anyone who flies for a fractional know if there are jumpseat agreements with the 121 guys--regional or majors? Would appreciate some feedback. I'm considering a fractional company but would not be able to live at the domicile right away.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Just had a Q on jumpseating. Anyone who flies for a fractional know if there are jumpseat agreements with the 121 guys--regional or majors? Would appreciate some feedback. I'm considering a fractional company but would not be able to live at the domicile right away.

In a word, no. Nothing guaranteed anyway.

The IBT 1108 came up with all of the protocols necessary to participate in CASS and our management team hasn't returned our phone calls since at the Union (to get their authorization).

All major airlines were on board with our program.

Guess they never thought we'd get that far. They never thought alot of things though when it came to the Union.

 

[mckpickle]

Not all airlines will take frac guys. Express Jet is one that will not. The reason is that the fracs cannot/will not reciprocate. And the ones that can/do can leave you stranded when there is a change of plans enroute.

 

[NJAmerica]

McPickle -

If we could guarantee you a reciprocal seat on a fractional flight I for one would ensure that you would always travel.However the nature of our business is constant change unlike your airline schedule.
Why do you need this in order to offer a professional courtesy.A lot of pilot's in the fractional world came from the regionals and majors and have more than paid their dues.Who knows you might be changing your career path in the near future and need that ride to work.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Not all airlines will take frac guys. Express Jet is one that will not. The reason is that the fracs cannot/will not reciprocate. And the ones that can/do can leave you stranded when there is a change of plans enroute.

For those that are unfamiliar with the situation, including Mayor McPickle...

All concerns made by the 121 airlines, including reciprocity, were addressed and solved. All of them.

All of the majors and RJ airlines (including the coveted Express Jet) signed off on the NJA protocols. All of them.

NJA management failed to deliver on all of their promises to approve the program IF we obtained the approved protocols. All of them.

Apparently RTS didn't want pilot "rif raf" on Owner aircraft.

Complete B.S.

 

[mckpickle]

McPickle -

If we could guarantee you a reciprocal seat on a fractional flight I for one would ensure that you would always travel.However the nature of our business is constant change unlike your airline schedule.
Why do you need this in order to offer a professional courtesy.A lot of pilot's in the fractional world came from the regionals and majors and have more than paid their dues.Who knows you might be changing your career path in the near future and need that ride to work.

Trust me, I'd love to help everyone. The problem is how do we decide who to take. You show up to a flight and a Delta guy shows up. If your first do you get to ride? How about the Delta guy who can offer his courtesy to one of our pilots? The thing at issue is that fracs are unable to offer the same courtesy. Lets face it, when an owner pays to fly, they don't want someone else catching a free ride. Airline guys are able to offer a ride but the frac guys cannot. By us offering a ride to someone who cannot reciprocate increases the number of people fighting for seats and dilutes the benefit to those who can help out.

 

[mckpickle]

For those that are unfamiliar with the situation, including Mayor McPickle...

All concerns made by the 121 airlines, including reciprocity, were addressed and solved. All of them.

All of the majors and RJ airlines (including the coveted Express Jet) signed off on the NJA protocols. All of them.

NJA management failed to deliver on all of their promises to approve the program IF we obtained the approved protocols. All of them.

Apparently RTS didn't want pilot "rif raf" on Owner aircraft.

Complete B.S.

I'm not sure what I have done to illicite the attitude of you post however I am sorry and wish we could take everyone. I'm not sure what exactly you are talking about. XJT has signed off on nothing. I've been the JS chairman for over 2 years at XJT and don't know anything about this or the NJA protocols. Maybe it was before my time, however nothing has been "signed off on" as far as I know.

 

[jaybird]

if you can get past the gate agent, you can ride on my aircraft.

 

[NJAmerica]

Mcpickle -

It is pretty obvious that the fractionals would be unable to offer a seat on an occupied owner flight.You talk of reciprocal agreements but do not seem to grasp that we all work in the same industry.Forget 121/91k/135 we are all pilots that need help to get to work.I suggest that you get off your High Horse and try and foster relationships that might benefit you once CAL take your employee travel later this year.

 

[mckpickle]

Mcpickle -

It is pretty obvious that the fractionals would be unable to offer a seat on an occupied owner flight.You talk of reciprocal agreements but do not seem to grasp that we all work in the same industry.Forget 121/91k/135 we are all pilots that need help to get to work.I suggest that you get off your High Horse and try and foster relationships that might benefit you once CAL take your employee travel later this year.

Maybe you need to look up the definition of RECIPROCAL. Besides, many fractionals airline their pilots to work, don't they. And thanks for the advice on on the CAL pass benefits and my high horse. I still don't see how a fractional is going to benefit us. I DO see how it will hurt us when we leave other pilots, who DO give us rides, at the gate while you are on board.